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Meeting of the Parliament 28 May 2025

28 May 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Teaching Workforce

It is hard to believe, after 17 years of the present Government, that we are having this debate. We really should not be, but here we are. Let us not beat about the bush, cabinet secretary: there is a crisis in teaching in Scotland. On one hand, we are short of teachers in key subject areas, such as STEM and modern languages; on the other hand, we have an oversupply of teachers in primary schools. How can we reconcile that? I have not heard a single word of admission of the problem from members on the front benches. That is not a staffing issue, and it is not a council issue; it is a planning failure, it is a whole-system failure and it is absolutely a Government failure.

Let us look at the facts. In 2024, there were 631 fewer teachers than just one year prior to that. Since 2008, the number of maths teachers has gone down by 12 per cent in Scotland, the number of physics teachers is down by 8 per cent and the number of computing science teachers is down by—wait for it—25 per cent. Every year, STEM recruitment targets are missed, while hundreds and hundreds of fully trained, good primary school teachers are unemployed.

Let us take Glasgow as an example. In 2017, 73 per cent of primary school teachers went straight from probation into a permanent job. By 2023, guess what the number was? It was 10 per cent: just 10 per cent went into a permanent job. Jenny Gilruth says that our teachers in Scotland are the best paid in the United Kingdom. That is all very well and good, but you need a job to be well paid. That is the problem that we are trying to raise this afternoon. The cabinet secretary says that she has sympathy for those primary school teachers. I have sympathy for them, too. However, they do not want sympathy; they just want a permanent job. It is as simple as that.

What effect does all that have on pupils, more importantly? Multilevel teaching has increased dramatically. According to one study in Dundee, 40 per cent of classes had multilevel teaching at one point. That is an absolute disgrace. According to the University of Stirling, there has been a clear

“reduction in the number of subjects”

offered under the present Government.

Enlighten has told us that

“one in eight of all secondary pupils ... attend a secondary school with no qualified computing science teacher. This rises to around 50% in rural areas”.

Every child in Scotland should have access to subjects such as maths, sciences, computing and modern languages.

We have heard of other teachers who have come to Scotland to make it their home but cannot teach due to issues with General Teaching Council qualifications. We have been talking about that for a decade in the Parliament, but we have never been able to resolve the issue.

That is not just bad for schools and for teachers; it is bad for the economy. We need those skills to be taught at the earliest possible age, so that the industries of the future—renewables, fintech, artificial intelligence and life sciences—all start in the classroom. If we have no computing science teachers today, we will have no coders tomorrow. If we have no physics teachers today, we will have no engineers tomorrow. There is a massive skills gap in Scotland, costing us hundreds of millions of pounds a year.

Here is the answer. We need smaller class sizes, we need more teachers in secondary and we need proper workforce planning in primary education, where supply equals demand and vice versa.

The context of the debate is simple. No teachers means no skills, and no skills means no economic growth. That all starts with the Government accepting some responsibility.

15:19  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
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Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
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The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to conclude.
Willie Rennie LD
I appreciate that teacher workforce planning is not simple, but the Government has made the situation a whole lot worse. I move, That the Parliament acknow...
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (Jenny Gilruth) SNP
I thank Mr Rennie for lodging the motion for debate during Liberal Democrat time. I thought that the story that he set out at the start of his speech was dee...
Jackie Dunbar (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP) SNP
Does the cabinet secretary agree that there is also a role for other partners in workforce planning—universities, for example—to ensure that we have the righ...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I agree with the sentiments that the member has expressed. Our universities are directly involved in national workforce planning at the current time. I will...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I say to Ms Duncan-Glancy that I am conscious of time; I have one minute left. The teacher induction scheme has served us well for many years, and I have di...
Willie Rennie LD
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I am happy to give way on that point, although I am conscious of time.
Willie Rennie LD
When will the cabinet secretary mention unemployed primary school teachers?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I have five minutes for my speech and less than a minute left. I will come on to talk about that, because part of the issue is specifically about our primary...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
I thank Willie Rennie and the Liberal Democrats for using their party business time to hold the debate. It is important that we highlight the pressures that ...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I thank Willie Rennie and the Scottish Liberal Democrats for bringing to Parliament this crucial motion, which we will support at decision time. Scottish Lab...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
If the cabinet secretary is prepared to explain how she will take responsibility, I will be happy to take the intervention.
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I am here, as cabinet secretary, taking responsibility today. I gently say to the member that local authorities, not the Scottish Government, employ our teac...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
The cabinet secretary cannot see that we have gaps and that we have teachers without jobs in some areas and in some subjects. Only the Government has the ove...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
The figure of £145 million—now £186.5 million—should be enough to move every teacher who is on a temporary contract into a permanent role and to recruit hund...
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (LD) LD
It is hard to believe, after 17 years of the present Government, that we are having this debate. We really should not be, but here we are. Let us not beat ab...
Jackie Dunbar (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP) SNP
I want every child in Scotland to get the best possible start in life, and education is an affa big part of that best start. We have great schools and we hav...
Douglas Ross (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I am grateful to the Liberal Democrats for bringing this topic to the chamber, to allow us to have another education debate. I was thinking about the last ed...
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
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The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
George Adam will be the final speaker in the open debate. You have up to four minutes, Mr Adam. 15:31
George Adam (Paisley) (SNP) SNP
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Willie Rennie LD
In making his reasonable contribution, does the member recognise that the Government has contributed to the surplus, and therefore the unemployment, of prima...
George Adam SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We move to the winding-up speeches. 15:36
Maggie Chapman Green
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