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Meeting of the Parliament 27 May 2025

27 May 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Community-owned Energy
Lumsden, Douglas Con North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

There is more that we can do; if we can give our local authorities more help so that they, too, can help in that process, that would be a good thing.

Thirdly, there is a lack of community input. As I said earlier, many local energy projects are not community projects and can lack community input. Companies or housing developers are acting to develop schemes but are not including the views of the local community in their plans.

I previously mentioned the time that it takes for energy schemes to go through the planning process. The planning process for a small community wind farm is the same as for a major wind farm, and the planning process for a small hydro or tidal scheme is the same as for a big scheme. There is no proportionality in our local authority planning system.

The Scottish Conservatives want local communities to have much more say over energy projects in their area and far more proportionate planning guidance for community-owned schemes. I wonder whether the cabinet secretary agrees that the Government should consider that area in the future.

The Government’s motion focuses on generation, but why not encourage more community ownership of energy storage? We are seeing an explosion in battery storage, but most schemes are being pushed through against the wishes of local communities. There is a gold rush, with developers rushing in to make a fortune by buying cheap energy and then selling it for a fortune when the wind is not blowing, and there seems to be little regulation or control. If sites are being inflicted on communities against their will, why not give those communities a stake so that it is not only the energy finance companies that benefit and communities can benefit, too?

I have spent much of my speaking time looking at the Government’s motion, whose wording the amendments do not seek to amend but only to add to. I want to address the main point of our amendment, which is about how the energy is transferred into the grid. As part of its pathway to 2030, Scottish and Southern Electricity Networks is proposing to build 500km of monster pylons throughout some of the most scenic areas of Scotland, and Scottish Power is planning an 80km route through the Borders, which is almost as scenic.

Deeside Against Pylons spokesman John Rahtz said:

“Our communities feel that the North of Scotland is bearing a disproportionate cost for this short-sighted proposal which is driven by cost.”

Tracy Smith of Save our Mearns said that SSEN is

“bulldozing through the north east”.

We recently had a debate in the chamber on bringing Scotland into line with the Aarhus convention, in which we called for legal aid for communities and an environmental court to give communities a greater say when it comes to such developments, but the cabinet secretary seems to think that we are in compliance with the Aarhus convention.

This morning, I asked the cabinet secretary about changes to the Planning and Infrastructure Bill and how it will affect communities. Community groups have written in and said that they will no longer take part in Scottish Government consultations as they feel ignored. The response from Scotland Against Spin says:

“we are not going to waste our time making the same arguments that have already been ignored once and which will no doubt be ignored again.”

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-17648, in the name of Gillian Martin, on growing community-owned energy in Scotland. I invite members who...
The Acting Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero and Energy (Gillian Martin) SNP
I am grateful for the opportunity to open today’s debate and to shine an important spotlight on community-owned energy in Scotland. The Scottish Government ...
Maurice Golden (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Has any consideration been given to how benefits will be spread to communities that might not, for example, be located next to a large wind farm, but might s...
Gillian Martin SNP
There are a number of things at play. The member will be aware that, after a great deal of encouragement from the Scottish Government, the UK Government has ...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
The cabinet secretary is setting out reasons why community ownership has significant benefits and there is very little dissent from that principle. Renewable...
Gillian Martin SNP
There are a few reasons for that. Historically, communities felt that they almost had to be engineers or to have an expert in their community, and one of the...
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
Does the cabinet secretary believe that councils have an important role to play in supporting community organisations?
Gillian Martin SNP
It is the essence of community wealth building and community empowerment that local authorities work with those in their communities who want to take up some...
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
What protection do your plans give to communities that do not want any more wind power infrastructure or any more battery storage?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Always speak through the chair.
Gillian Martin SNP
This debate is about communities that want to have their own community-owned schemes, rather than being anything to do with planning or consents. If the memb...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I very much welcome the cabinet secretary’s outlining that support. Would she agree that we should also be thinking about support for local authorities, so t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you the time back for some of the interventions, cabinet secretary.
Gillian Martin SNP
I am open to any suggestions that would mean having more local authority schemes. If there are any barriers in the way, I would like to investigate what they...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I advise members that we have a bit of time in hand, so those who take interventions will certainly get the time back. 14:36
Douglas Lumsden (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I think that there will be a lot that we agree on this afternoon. Community-owned energy is becoming an increasingly important element in our energy producti...
Gillian Martin SNP
I can confirm that that is shared funding from both Governments. It has not been repurposed; it is new money. It is for the expansion of the capacity of CARE...
Douglas Lumsden Con
I thank the cabinet secretary for that important clarification. We often hear that funds have gone from one place to another, so it is good to hear that that...
Audrey Nicoll (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP) SNP
I understand the member’s point about skills and knowledge but, as a constituency MSP, I have had a number of retired engineers from the oil and gas sector c...
Douglas Lumsden Con
I absolutely agree with Audrey Nicoll. A lot depends on skilled people, but they are not always there for the duration because the process is so long.
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
I never thought that I would hear myself saying this, but I agree with Douglas Lumsden. It is quite difficult for certain communities to navigate their way t...
Douglas Lumsden Con
There is more that we can do; if we can give our local authorities more help so that they, too, can help in that process, that would be a good thing. Thirdl...
Gillian Martin SNP
I said to Mr Lumsden this morning that the legislative consent memorandum actually mandates community engagement, whereas at the moment that is voluntary. It...
Douglas Lumsden Con
Once again, the cabinet secretary takes the bits that she likes but ignores the other parts. The Government is taking away the right to a public inquiry and ...
Gillian Martin SNP
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. The record will show that I said in committee this morning that the right to a public inquiry stays. Mr Lumsden is de...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Cabinet secretary, could I ask you perhaps to rephrase that last comment, please?
Gillian Martin SNP
From what Mr Lumsden has said, I fear that he is not taking on board the facts that I laid out this morning at committee.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you. That was not a point of order. Please continue, Mr Lumsden.
Douglas Lumsden Con
I am sure that everyone knows that the right to an automatic public inquiry is being removed from our local communities. That is what is set out in the new l...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I welcome today’s debate because the issue of community energy is a crucial one for us to debate. As a Labour and Co-operative member, I am proud to be a mem...