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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee 20 May 2025

20 May 2025 · S6 · Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Item of business
Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Chapman, Maggie Green North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

Yes, absolutely, the EPC system is out of date and the review is urgently needed. We anticipate that the system will change, which is why we have not referred to EPC in my amendments. The amendments should cover the new energy efficiency rating system, for which I hope that we will not wait too long. As you have said, EPC does not take into account the full range of technological advances that we have had in the past few years.

We have a situation where twice the proportion of properties fail on three or more criteria of the Scottish housing quality standard in the private sector compared to social housing. My amendment 257 and its partner amendments in an earlier group, which we have previously debated, would act as a very powerful incentive to drive up quality, along with Ariane Burgess’s amendments to allow tenants to withhold rent when repairs have not been done and for local authorities to inspect accommodation and levy fines on landlords who are not looking after their properties and, therefore, their tenants. We can put significant upwards pressure on standards.

This is a complex area and there are a great many amendments in the group. Bearing both those points in mind, I have left open the matter of how exactly we do those things—I have not been specific, as it would be for ministers to decide how the minimum standards would be defined. I encourage members to vote for almost all the amendments in the group, which all try to do basically the same thing. Emma Roddick’s amendment for landlords to financially compensate tenants when minimum standards have been contravened is helpful, as is Daniel Johnson’s amendment for poor-quality properties to be bought out by local authorities.

I am glad that the Scottish Government is introducing Awaab’s law to ensure that repair issues are addressed, and I support the Conservative amendments that would apply it to the private sector. With respect to the cabinet secretary, there is no need to wait to consult the private sector as the Government has said that it intends to do. In its essentials, a mechanism for a property to be inspected and for repairs to be ordered must surely be the same, regardless of the sector. Some of the amendments might overlap and conflict slightly, but that can be resolved. Speaking of incentives, that would be a strong one for us to work together across the board before stage 3 to develop a plan to ensure that standards in the private sector are the best that they can be—not with their current 40 per cent failure rate.

The only amendment that the Greens cannot support in this group is Daniel Johnson’s amendment 490. It is a well-intentioned attempt to improve access to the common areas of a tenement or similar building, in order for utilities and other works to be done, but I cannot support the amendment as drafted, as it would put a burden on tenants to stay at home—perhaps missing work or having to take annual leave—to do what is essentially the landlord’s job. However, I encourage Daniel Johnson to bring that amendment back at stage 3, with some minor tweaks to it, to address those concerns.

I move amendment 257.

In the same item of business

The Convener Green
The second item on our agenda is consideration of the Housing (Scotland) Bill at stage 2. This is day 4 of our consideration of the bill at stage 2. I welco...
The Convener Green
Amendment 218, in the name of Rachael Hamilton, is grouped with amendments 219, 565, 220, 138, 161, 201, 494 to 496, 139, 238, 497 to 499, 140, 239, 162, 202...
Alexander Stewart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Amendment 218 is consequential to amendment 219. Amendment 219 introduces flexibility to adjust rent mid-tenancy in response to significant changes in circum...
Mark Griffin Lab
Amendment 565, in my name, exempts mid-market rent properties from the rental increase frequency proposals. I appreciate that the Government has a consultati...
Emma Roddick (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
My amendments seek to rebalance the skewed nature of where power lies in the tenant and landlord relationship. Amendment 138 seeks to extend the time that a ...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
One of my hopes for the bill is that it raises tenants’ awareness of their rights significantly. As Emma Roddick has already alluded to, there is a lot of op...
The Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice (Shirley-Anne Somerville) SNP
As are the members who lodged the amendments in this group, the Government is determined to bring forward a system of rent control that supports the stabilis...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I have been listening very carefully, as I always do, to the arguments that have been put forward by Emma Roddick and Maggie Chapman. Emma Roddick suggests i...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
I will reflect on that exact point imminently, Mr Simpson.
Graham Simpson Con
Very good.
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
Emma Roddick and Maggie Chapman have set out very strong points on that. Amendment 138, in the name of Emma Roddick, and amendments 161, 162, 201 and 202, i...
Meghan Gallacher Con
Is the Government still reaching out to people who will be impacted by the consultation and actively engaging with all stakeholders to ensure that they respo...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
Absolutely. Mid-market rent and build to rent are among the areas of key focus for other stakeholders, in particular tenants and their representatives, that ...
Maggie Chapman Green
I have a quick question. One of the concerns is that the rent that is adjudicated could be higher than the amount that was asked for. That surely cannot be w...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
I am happy to carry on having these conversations with Maggie Chapman in the run-up to stage 3 if she thinks that there is a flaw in what is being suggested ...
The Convener Green
As no other member wishes to speak, I call Alexander Stewart to wind up and press or withdraw amendment 218.
Alexander Stewart Con
I have listened to the cabinet secretary’s comments, and I am sure that Rachael Hamilton will reflect on them, but I would still like to press amendment 218.
The Convener Green
The question is, that amendment 218 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Convener Green
There will be a division. For Gallacher, Meghan (Central Scotland) (Con) Griffin, Mark (Central Scotland) (Lab) Stewart, Alexander (Mid Scotland and Fife...
The Convener Green
The result of the division is: For 3, Against 4, Abstentions 0. Amendment 218 disagreed to. Amendment 219 moved—Alexander Stewart.
The Convener Green
The question is, that amendment 219 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Convener Green
There will be a division. For Gallacher, Meghan (Central Scotland) (Con) Griffin, Mark (Central Scotland) (Lab) Stewart, Alexander (Mid Scotland and Fife...
The Convener Green
The result of the division is: For 3, Against 4, Abstentions 0. Amendment 219 disagreed to. Amendment 35 not moved.
The Convener Green
The next group is on repairs and standards. Amendment 257, in the name of Maggie Chapman, is grouped with amendments 442, 231, 231A, 231B, 443, 221, 222, 444...
Maggie Chapman Green
I will focus my comments on my amendments in the group; I know that my colleague Ariane Burgess will speak to others. My amendments are designed to focus on...
Meghan Gallacher Con
Does Maggie Chapman agree that the EPC system is completely out of date? It should have been reviewed long before now. Given the current EPC system, it is di...
Maggie Chapman Green
Yes, absolutely, the EPC system is out of date and the review is urgently needed. We anticipate that the system will change, which is why we have not referre...
The Convener Green
I will speak to my amendment 442 and other amendments in the group. My amendment 442 is on a “lettable standard”. Currently, we have different regulations ...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
I thank all members who have lodged amendments in the group for the discussions that I have had with them in the run-up to today, which have informed the Gov...
Meghan Gallacher Con
I understand the cabinet secretary’s point about the existing powers, but can we have a little more explanation of why those powers have not been used up unt...