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Meeting of the Parliament 20 May 2025

20 May 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Radio Teleswitch Service Switch-off
Whitham, Elena SNP Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley Watch on SPTV

I thank Beatrice Wishart for bringing this important and urgent debate to the chamber, and I fully support her motion.

The RTS switch-off is of great concern to people across the UK, but the impact is particularly acute for those in rural communities, such as in my Carrick, Cumnock, and Doon Valley constituency, where many homes are off the mains gas grid and there remain many socially rented homes with electric heating tied to this antiquated technology.

As Scotland has nearly 135,000 RTS meters, we are set to be the hardest hit by the change by population share. We know from the briefing that was provided by the Scottish Federation of Housing Associations that it is very concerned for its tenants, who are disproportionately impacted.

I will share with members the experience of one couple who contacted me. They have an older-style meter, which uses RTS, to supply their heating, electricity and hot water. They were contacted by Scottish Power last August to inform them that they were eligible for a smart meter. They diligently booked their appointment, but it was cancelled by the engineers at the last minute, as it was decided that their meter would not be compatible for replacement. They tried again; another appointment was booked, and there was another cancellation. Then, there was absolute radio silence, with no updates and no solutions, which led to my office becoming involved.

An appointment to replace the couple’s meter has now been set for June—which is really close to the switch-off date—but, understandably, they are very worried about whether that will finally resolve the situation, given the complexities that so many have faced. For example, in some cases, engineers have arrived to discover that the existing set-up has too many cables for them to be able to complete the swap-out. That seems to be a common denominator in people’s experiences—there are too many cables in the old meters.

If there is no fix, either the couple will have no electricity or hot water come the switch-off or they will be forced to pay a higher rate as the meter defaults to that rate without any applicable discounts. Conversely, as we heard from Ms Wishart, the heating might be stuck on, with no respite for the household from continual heat. Even if the couple are able to have their meter replaced, Scottish Power is unable to assure them that they will stay on their current tariff. That goes against Ofgem’s pledge that

“no customer should be worse off”

as a result of the change. As we have heard today, stories like that are repeating themselves across the country, with members of the public doing their best to prepare themselves but experiencing constant pushback that is outwith their control.

Suppliers and consumers are now facing a ticking time bomb ahead of an ever-nearing cut-off date. Unfortunately, I and many of the people from whom I have heard have no confidence that the change will go smoothly. Beatrice Wishart referred to the situation as a “shambles”, and it absolutely is. It is completely unacceptable, and the UK Government and Ofgem must take action immediately. The switch-off date needs to be postponed, or there needs to be an assurance that anyone who is financially impacted will receive full compensation.

I welcome the Acting Minister for Climate Action’s comment that

“the Scottish Government is doing everything it can, within our limited devolved powers, to mitigate the impact.”

Ultimately, however, this is a reserved issue, so the United Kingdom Government must take responsibility and control and step up to the plate to ensure that no one is negatively impacted by the change. I also agree with Beatrice Wishart that local resilience partnerships should be preparing themselves for what might happen come the shut-off.

Households across the country are already struggling financially with the cost of living crisis and economic uncertainty, so this really is the last thing that they need to be dealing with right now. The situation is especially urgent given the number of individuals with such meters who are already in poverty and are dealing with unrelenting fuel poverty.

I hope that members in the chamber can unite today to send a clear message that the situation cannot be allowed to spiral any further. Action is urgently needed to protect our constituents and give them the peace of mind that they deserve.

18:14  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The final item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S6M-17484, in the name of Beatrice Wishart, on the radio teleswitch service switch-off. Th...
Beatrice Wishart (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer. I am sorry not to join members in the chamber in person this evening. I thank members who have supported the motion and...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
As we move to the open debate, I advise the chamber that there is a lot of interest in the subject, and therefore I must ask members to stick to their speaki...
Elena Whitham (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (SNP) SNP
I thank Beatrice Wishart for bringing this important and urgent debate to the chamber, and I fully support her motion. The RTS switch-off is of great conc...
Tim Eagle (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I am grateful to Beatrice Wishart for securing a debate on what is becoming an increasingly serious issue, for many of the reasons that have been mentioned. ...
The Acting Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero and Energy (Gillian Martin) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Tim Eagle Con
I think that I have time, so yes.
Gillian Martin SNP
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Tim Eagle Con
I am talking not about what has been done but about the fact that the programme has not been rolled out according to the deadline that the SNP promised. I wa...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I thank Beatrice Wishart for securing this debate on an issue that affects people across Scotland, from Glasgow to the Shetland isles. Figures from Ofgem sh...
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I thank Beatrice Wishart for bringing this members’ business debate to the chamber. She has outlined extremely well the problems that will be caused for her ...
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
I thank Beatrice Wishart for securing this important debate. The urgency with which we need to deal with the issue is growing with each passing day. Schedul...
Emma Harper SNP
Rachael Hamilton has just highlighted the challenges that some really vulnerable people are facing, especially the 97-year-old person in Duns. Does she agree...
Rachael Hamilton Con
That is why it is so important that Beatrice Wishart has brought the debate to the chamber. I hope that it will almost be an awareness campaign for those who...
Ariane Burgess (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
I, too, thank Beatrice Wishart for bringing this important and urgent debate to the chamber. I speak on behalf of my constituents in the Highlands and Island...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
I congratulate Beatrice Wishart on securing this debate on the motion, to which I was a signatory. Much has been said about smart meters—often about their un...
Alexander Burnett (Aberdeenshire West) (Con) Con
I thank Beatrice Wishart for bringing the motion for debate. As we have heard, the closure of the radio teleswitch service on 30 June is fast approaching. I ...
The Acting Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero and Energy (Gillian Martin) SNP
Like other members, I begin by thanking Beatrice Wishart for securing a debate on the hugely important issue of the RTS switch-off. Members will know that e...
Rachael Hamilton Con
An issue that I did not get to in my speech is the fact that some of the remedial works are not being covered. Could the Scottish Government help with the pr...
Gillian Martin SNP
As I said, Ofgem is responsible for the process, and the responsibility to replace the meters lies with the energy companies. We have called for certain prot...
Christine Grahame SNP
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Gillian Martin SNP
Yes, I will.
Christine Grahame SNP
In taking all reasonable steps to ensure that customers are no worse off, should there be a discount on the bill if, to use my example, white metering means ...
Gillian Martin SNP
My reading of suppliers being mandated to “take all reasonable steps to provide a tariff that leaves the consumer ‘no worse off’” is that it involves exact...
Rachael Hamilton Con
When I talked about remedial works, I meant rewiring. That is what I was talking about.
Gillian Martin SNP
Right. Thank you. We have asked for a fund to support consumers who are in that position, and we have called on Ofgem, the UK Government and industry to mak...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, cabinet secretary. That concludes the debate. Meeting closed at 18:50.