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Meeting of the Parliament 15 May 2025

15 May 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Scotland in Today’s Europe

I certainly agree that sanctions should be respected and that any evidence of companies trying to get round those should be brought to light. [Interruption.] I hear Mr Harvie speaking from a sedentary position. If he is asking me whether I would support the strengthening of sanctions, the answer is simple: I would.

I move on by borrowing from Germany’s former Chancellor, Olaf Scholz, who said that we are living through a Zeitenwende—a turning point or crossroads. We have been here before. Relatively recently in our lifetimes, in 1989, change was under way after the fall of the Berlin wall. However, we have to be honest. That was a time of great hope and opportunities, but it was also a time of deep uncertainty about the future in Europe and internationally after the cold war. The experiences of the previous decades created fear about what the reaction to the communist dominoes falling in eastern Europe would be and what it would mean for the world.

Once the dust had settled, great challenges lay ahead in Europe, which were: supporting the development of democracy in a great number of different countries; rebuilding and transforming economies; and making European neighbours who had been cut off from the European integration process partners and, ultimately, ready to become EU members.

The European project, too, evolved greatly during that time. In 1992, the EU as we know it today was founded through the Maastricht treaty. In 2004, enlargement marked a watershed moment for post-1989 Europe with 10 new members joining the EU, and they have been followed by several more since then.

I turn to the contributions that have been made to our country by people from those European accession states and, indeed, all those from overseas who have chosen to settle here and make Scotland their home.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
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The Cabinet Secretary for Constitution, External Affairs and Culture (Angus Robertson) SNP
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Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
The Liberal Democrats will support today’s Government motion. The cabinet secretary is right to refer to the European Coal and Steel Community, the establish...
Angus Robertson SNP
I thank the Liberal Democrats for their support for the Government’s motion. It has been drafted in a way that has received a welcome from other parties, whi...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
I agree with the sentiment that the cabinet secretary expresses, but does he agree that that sentiment would be given fuller expression if the UK and the EU ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you the time back, cabinet secretary.
Angus Robertson SNP
I certainly agree that sanctions should be respected and that any evidence of companies trying to get round those should be brought to light. Interruption. I...
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Angus Robertson SNP
If the member does not mind, I will not take the intervention now as I want to make a bit more progress. It is important that we understand and respect that...
Stephen Kerr Con
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Angus Robertson SNP
I will.
Stephen Kerr Con
I am grateful to the cabinet secretary. I wanted to intervene earlier, when he talked about the forthcoming UK-EU summit in London. He will have seen, as I s...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Cabinet secretary, I can give you the time back for the intervention.
Angus Robertson SNP
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Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
During your discussions with the UK Government, has there been any detail about an agreement that was sought involving the potential fisheries arrangements—a...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Always speak through the chair.
Angus Robertson SNP
I confirm to Clare Adamson and to the Parliament that the United Kingdom Government has had no detailed discussion with the Scottish Government, the Northern...
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Angus Robertson SNP
I will give way to Mr Bibby. He might be able to explain that.
Neil Bibby Lab
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Angus Robertson SNP
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Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
The cabinet secretary kindly invited me to intervene at this stage in his remarks, and I am gratified to hear that a number of the clauses that were in the L...
Angus Robertson SNP
Indeed, they are, and there is largely consensus on that. At least, perhaps there is consensus—I am not entirely sure what the position of the Scottish Conse...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, cabinet secretary. I call Stephen Kerr to speak to and move amendment S6M-17539.4. You have a generous eight minutes, Mr Kerr. 15:14
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I do not think that the cabinet secretary actually answered the question that I asked in my intervention. I am happy for him to intervene on me to answer the...
Angus Robertson SNP
I am happy to make an intervention. No, I would not be pleased to see defence and security co-operation being conditional on any other consideration. I belie...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you the time back, Mr Kerr.
Stephen Kerr Con
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Douglas Lumsden (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Stephen Kerr Con
Of course I will.