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Meeting of the Parliament 14 May 2025

14 May 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Additional Support for Learning

All young people, including those with additional support needs, deserve the opportunity to learn and thrive, and our teachers, support staff, parents and pupils must be thanked immensely for all that they do every day, despite the system working against them, to make that so. Therefore, we welcome today’s debate and will support the motion in Miles Briggs’s name.

We will also support the Government’s amendment, although I have to say that its focus on warm words and its brevity rather indicate that the Government had little to add by way of action in a space that is so desperate for that. For Scotland’s teachers, support staff, parents and pupils, that will be disappointing. That is why our amendment adds crucial actions that we believe are necessary to support young people to thrive, and to do that alongside their peers, to be included in their schools and to get the support that they need.

The current system is not delivering that. As the committee said, the situation is intolerable. The reality is that, on this Government’s watch, the experience of children and young people with additional support needs, their families and the staff who support them is one of exhaustion, exclusion and crisis.

The motion calls for a review of the implementation of mainstreaming and a new model of support, because action is needed. I also want to be clear that the failure is not around the presumption of mainstreaming, which allows children to learn together with their peers; the failure is on the part of this Government for not building an education system that empowers that.

The ability of a child to learn together with their peers matters, and I know that because I lived it. I went to a mainstream school and I did well, but that was not by accident. It took strong staff and strong teachers who had the time and capacity to support me to get the education that I did. That is what every family in Scotland deserves; they should not have to fight for their child’s education to get it. However, right now, that is what they must do.

Parents feel abandoned by statutory services such as CAMHS when they are told that there is a new diagnostic pathway but are left waiting while nothing appears. I heard what the minister said about CAMHS, and I know that that service is not what all young people need, but if not CAMHS, what? Without a destination, we do not have a pathway but a crisis that leaves parents in distress and children without the support that they need.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-17524, in the name of Miles Briggs, on a review of additional support for learning and the implementation...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
I am pleased to open this important debate on behalf of the Scottish Conservatives. The report on additional support for learning that Audit Scotland publish...
The Minister for Social Care, Mental Wellbeing and Sport (Maree Todd) SNP
I thank Mr Briggs for lodging his motion, which calls for a review of additional support for learning and the implementation of mainstreaming. I confirm that...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Does Maree Todd agree with the call from Miles Briggs that today’s debate must be a “wake-up call” for a fundamental change in how we move forward in this area?
Maree Todd SNP
As members will hear as I go through my speech—if I have an opportunity to get into it—and as the cabinet secretary will confirm, the Government is already t...
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills told the Scottish Secondary Teachers Association that she thought that the law that the minister has just desc...
Maree Todd SNP
I am sure that the cabinet secretary will explain all that later. The Government is always looking to improve—there is no question about that. The motion re...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I agree with the minister’s point about language, particularly as it is mental health awareness week, but the reality is that, in Glasgow, for example, 9,000...
Maree Todd SNP
CAMHS is simply not the correct service for children who are seeking a diagnosis for neurodevelopmental conditions, unless they are seeking support for a co-...
Miles Briggs Con
Will the minister take an intervention?
Maree Todd SNP
I will take one more intervention on that point.
Miles Briggs Con
I have been listening to what the minister has to say. The biggest problem—and parents will say this to all of us—is that young people have to wait for years...
Maree Todd SNP
Our overriding focus is on ensuring that people get the right help and support and that that help and support is available for our young people, particularly...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I appreciate that the minister was very generous in accepting interventions, but she will need to conclude as there is no time in hand.
Maree Todd SNP
I fully recognise the important role that a diagnosis can play, but we have to recognise that diagnosis alone does not define or determine a child’s support ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Minister, you need to conclude, as you are well over your time. You will also need to move your amendment. Please do so now.
Maree Todd SNP
We have clear recommendations that support—
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Minister, I ask you to move your amendment and to please resume your seat.
Maree Todd SNP
I will conclude. I move amendment S6M-17524.3, to insert at end: “agrees that all children and young people should receive the help that they need to thriv...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We have almost no time in hand. I can deal only with the time allocation that I have been given and I cannot magic time out of thin air. 15:39
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
All young people, including those with additional support needs, deserve the opportunity to learn and thrive, and our teachers, support staff, parents and pu...
Maree Todd SNP
I acknowledge that many children and young people require more targeted support from specialist services, but many other children and young people will have ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I think that Ms Duncan-Glancy has got the gist, minister.
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I am afraid to say that the 9,000 people on waiting lists for support in Glasgow will be pretty vocal in explaining that the universal provision is not meeti...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You will need to bring your remarks to a close.
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
As Angela Morgan said, what we are talking about is no longer “additional”; it is the classroom now, and the Government needs to wake up and address the real...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
I thank Miles Briggs for giving us the opportunity to debate this issue today. I should start by making absolutely clear the Scottish Green Party’s support f...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
I start with a letter from a primary school teacher to the First Minister: “When I started teaching, inclusion was becoming more and more the norm within sc...
Karen Adam SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Willie Rennie LD
I have only four minutes. They would prefer for them to get a specialist level of support, but it is felt that the cost that would be involved in that is pr...