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Meeting of the Parliament 08 May 2025

08 May 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Victory in Europe Day (80th Anniversary)

It is my distinct privilege to offer the Liberal Democrats’ respects to the fallen in our armed forces and in armed forces across the world; to the dead in our civilian population and across the world; and to the victims of the Nazi Holocaust—something that we have heard a lot about this afternoon, and rightly so.

I was reflecting on what this 80th anniversary means in Germany, and I heard a fascinating radio interview with a German diplomat who was asked that question. He explained to the interviewer that, in Germany, the date is seen as a commemoration of liberation, because it was a liberation of normal Germans from, in the words of Churchill,

“the odious apparatus of Nazi rule”.

On dates such as this, we often forget the brave Germans who stood up against Hitler within the Third Reich and those who, for want of freedom, died under its regime. Today, I am thinking of those brave people, such as Sophie Scholl and Pastor Niemöller.

We are also thinking today of our brave Scottish communities who, in a singular national effort of determination, pulled together for the war effort.

I asked the First Minister about the Polish airmen. I grew up in a farming village not far from RAF Leuchars in Fife, and there was a shed at the bottom of our garden that still had telephone lines and a fireplace for the three Polish airmen who had lived in that shed for three years. Even then, there were still signs of our collective war effort.

Just last week, in the communities of Lerwick and Scalloway in Shetland, there was a commemoration of the Shetland bus. As part of that operation, merchant navy vessels took troops, ammunition and weaponry to and from the Norwegian resistance. I pay tribute to all of them.

Each of our communities played its part in certain ways, but each of us—as the First Minister very movingly told us—will have personal reflections on this 80th anniversary.

I think of my grandfather and his three siblings in particular today. His older brother, Dick, was a German linguist and, as such, became an interrogator in prisoner of war camps. His younger brother, David, who was a commander on HMS Sikh, was, sadly, killed on a troop transport, which was sunk north of Tobruk by a Stuka dive-bomber. My father is named for him, such is the enduring memory of his loss.

Their sister, Joan, was awarded an MBE at the age of 23 for her service to the Foreign and Commonwealth Office in the Norwegian legation that evacuated the King and the Government from Oslo as the Wehrmacht rolled in. She walked overland to a resistance farmhouse, led by Frank Foley, and was eventually evacuated by submarine. Sadly, she died in 1945, just after the San Francisco conference that set up the United Nations. Her plane disappeared over the Atlantic, and we still have a letter in my attic from Anthony Eden expressing grave concern for her loss.

It was my grandfather who taught me everything about freedom and sacrifice. He served as the lieutenant commander on a destroyer in the north Atlantic. He was one of the last surviving witnesses of the sinking of HMS Hood by Bismarck, and he lived to tell the tale. I have 19 hours of audio of his seafaring stories, which I treasure.

We have heard a lot about Winston Churchill’s remarks from the balcony of the health ministry on this day, 80 years ago. He gave a very short speech, and much of it has been quoted, but these lines have not:

“My dear friends, this is your hour. This is not victory of party or of any class. It’s a victory of the great British nation as a whole. We were the first, in this ancient island, to draw the sword against tyranny.”

With those words, he closed out a war that had endured for six years. He ushered in a long peace, and it is a long peace that it is incumbent on decision makers and parliamentarians like us in chambers such as this to safeguard for future generations, and we must also recognise those who draw the sword against tyranny in places such as Ukraine today.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-17457, in the name of John Swinney, on commemorating the 80th anniversary of victory in Europe day. I inv...
The First Minister (John Swinney) SNP
I am honoured to open the debate on behalf of the Scottish Government and to share my reflections on the 80th anniversary of victory in Europe day. Today, we...
Pam Gosal (West Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the First Minister join me in recognising and commemorating the pre-partition British Indian army—the largest volunteer force in history, with 2.5 milli...
The First Minister SNP
I join Pam Gosal in that point of remembrance. It is significant that that point was made at the VE day 80 commemoration event in the Usher hall in Edinburgh...
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I thought that the First Minister spoke movingly of his uncle when VE day tributes were paid earlier today. I have been thinking about my mother, who, as a s...
The First Minister SNP
I agree with Mr Kerr’s point. His example of his mother’s experience resonates with that of my mother-in-law, who was also removed from a tenement block that...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
The First Minister is absolutely right to reference the European Union as establishing a charter for peace so that no nation could ever build a war machine a...
The First Minister SNP
Unreservedly. There is a very strong affinity with the Polish community in the area of Perthshire that I represent—indeed, there is a Polish cemetery in the ...
Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP) SNP
Will the First Minister take an intervention?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you the time back, First Minister.
The First Minister SNP
I will happily give way to Mr Brown.
Keith Brown SNP
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The First Minister SNP
I am grateful to my colleague and friend Mr Brown, who has distinguished service of his own in the Royal Marines, for adding that reminder. It was made clear...
Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con
Today marks 80 years since the unconditional surrender of Nazi Germany. After six years of bloodshed and horror, our country awoke to the light of freedom as...
Anas Sarwar (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Eighty years ago today, the German instrument of surrender was signed by representatives of Nazi Germany, the United Kingdom, France, the United States and t...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
Today’s motion reminds us of the hundreds of thousands of members of the UK forces and the tens of thousands of civilians whose lives were lost in world war ...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
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The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
We move to the open debate. 16:01
Karen Adam (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
Eighty years ago, the world exhaled when the guns across Europe fell silent, because VE day marked not just victory but our survival—a freedom reclaimed and ...
Douglas Ross (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
It is a real honour to contribute to the debate. I associate myself with the motion in the First Minister’s name, with the moving speech that he gave today a...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
Today we commemorate the 80th anniversary of victory in Europe day. On this day, eight decades ago, the guns fell silent across the European continent, marki...
Paul O’Kane (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Today, on the 80th anniversary of VE day, we paused to reflect on all those from our communities who gave their lives in the course of the second world war, ...
Bill Kidd (Glasgow Anniesland) (SNP) SNP
We are gathered here to mark a solemn and significant anniversary: 80 years since victory in Europe day—that moment on 8 May 1945, when, after six long and h...
Meghan Gallacher (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
We must never forget the brave men and women who fell during the conflict of world war two and those who fought to secure freedoms and liberties that we all ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Jackie Dunbar is the final speaker in the open debate. 16:26
Jackie Dunbar (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP) SNP
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The Presiding Officer NPA
We move to the closing speeches. 16:30
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
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Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
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