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Meeting of the Parliament 01 May 2025

01 May 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Scotland’s Hydrogen Future

I welcome this debate because, amid all the hoo-hah about net zero, just transition, affordable transition or whatever we want to call it, if we asked people whether they would like to be able to use a fuel that gives off nothing but water to power their homes and vehicles, most would say yes. That is, in essence, what hydrogen can deliver, and here in Scotland we can be at the forefront of developing the technology to do just that. It is a great opportunity, as the cabinet secretary said.

As ever, however, we need to get on with it, because, as ever, we are not doing well enough. I will give a small example of that. For all the cabinet secretary’s warm words, it remains true that, although a £100 million hydrogen action plan was announced in 2022, when she was at the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee on 14 January, she could not say how much of it had been spent. Having said that, I do not want this debate to be a point-scoring exercise, which that committee session was in parts, because I think that we all want pretty much the same thing. That is why we support the Government’s motion, why the amendment in my name is so relentlessly positive—as you would expect from me, Deputy Presiding Officer—and why everyone should support both it and the motion.

The Government has done some good stuff—we must recognise that. There was the £7 million in-year funding for grants to support strategically important green hydrogen projects. Four applications for that were submitted in December. There was another £7 million for the hydrogen innovation scheme, which supported 31 projects. In January, Ms Martin could not say what that had achieved, so I was hoping that today would be the day for that information, and it almost was—she gave us a little bit of detail in her speech.

There was £6 million from the just transition fund to HydroGlen, which is the green hydrogen farming pilot. Another £15 million went to the green hydrogen hub in Aberdeen, with some going to the Storegga green hydrogen project in Speyside, which is working to decarbonise whisky distilling and is working with the local authority to potentially provide green hydrogen for fleets of vehicles. That is all well and good, but the story so far is one of the country having great potential but not quite getting over the line yet.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-17399, in the name of Gillian Martin, on Scotland’s hydrogen future. I invite members who wish to speak i...
The Acting Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero and Energy (Gillian Martin) SNP
Colleagues, today’s debate on Scotland’s hydrogen future is important, and I am pleased to open it. Hydrogen stands as a critical pillar of Scotland’s route ...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
The cabinet secretary began by talking about hydrogen’s role in helping to decarbonise “hard-to-abate” sectors of the economy. Why is she now talking in posi...
Gillian Martin SNP
I think that H100 is a proof of concept. We will have to look at multiple opportunities to decarbonise heating. Some areas in Scotland, such as the western a...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
Patrick Harvie raises an important point, because hydrogen is not an uncontroversial choice. It is not as energy-dense as gas, so there has to be a judgment ...
Gillian Martin SNP
This sort of debate can sometimes be frustrating, because some people are very keen on particular types of technology when there is a myriad of technologies....
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Gillian Martin SNP
Do I have time, Deputy Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
There is time in hand, cabinet secretary.
Sarah Boyack Lab
I will not make my intervention too long. I very much understand the concept of exporting hydrogen, but we have to build the infrastructure. Professor Jim Sk...
Gillian Martin SNP
The Scottish Government produced its own hydrogen export plan, which looks into exactly that, but it is not something that Scotland could do alone. We need t...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I welcome this debate because, amid all the hoo-hah about net zero, just transition, affordable transition or whatever we want to call it, if we asked people...
Gillian Martin SNP
I am grateful to Graham Simpson for listing all those projects. Cumulatively, there are quite a lot of projects, and because I took so many interventions, I ...
Graham Simpson Con
I am not here to do the cabinet secretary’s job for her, but I am happy to assist on this occasion. There are promising projects. I am grateful to Green Cat...
Patrick Harvie Green
Will the member take an intervention?
Graham Simpson Con
Is there time in hand, Deputy Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
There is.
Graham Simpson Con
Jolly good. I will take Mr Harvie’s intervention.
Patrick Harvie Green
The member talked about energy security. In what way does it assist energy security to power home heating with something so massively inefficient as hydrogen...
Graham Simpson Con
I am mystified by the Greens’ approach to hydrogen. It is a fuel that gives off nothing but water; I thought that the Greens would be on board with that. Sur...
Daniel Johnson Lab
As I said before, I think that it is important to pilot this, but hydrogen has about one quarter of the energy density of natural gas. Is it not better to fo...
Graham Simpson Con
I agree with the cabinet secretary that our energy system should be a mix. That is why I am keen to pilot hydrogen—just to see whether it works. I see Mr Joh...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
We need a constructive debate, because this will affect us right across the country. It is important in terms of our environmental and economic ambitions. It...
Patrick Harvie Green
I am grateful for the opportunity to intervene. I note and welcome the fact that Sarah Boyack is specifically referencing green hydrogen. I was a little conf...
Sarah Boyack Lab
There is a hierarchy in maximising the lowest-carbon opportunities for hydrogen. I know that there is an argument for using blue hydrogen, which I will refle...
Gillian Martin SNP
Will the member give way?
Sarah Boyack Lab
Can I just keep going on this point? The key factor about the situation at Grangemouth is that it is not just about increasing the supply of green hydrogen;...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
I welcome the fact that we have the opportunity to debate this issue. It should not be seen as a simplistic debate, and there certainly should not be a split...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I find myself in the uncomfortable position of agreeing with some of what Patrick Harvie has to say—I am very much an advocate for green hydrogen. Blue hydro...
Patrick Harvie Green
If I understand the argument correctly, that still depends on the development and efficiency of carbon capture and storage, which has yet to be proven and wi...