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Meeting of the Parliament 01 May 2025

01 May 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Scotland’s Hydrogen Future
Martin, Gillian SNP Aberdeenshire East Watch on SPTV

The Scottish Government produced its own hydrogen export plan, which looks into exactly that, but it is not something that Scotland could do alone. We need to be working with the UK Government on it. We need to look at how we can partner with those who want to buy hydrogen that is produced in these isles to get it over there, and Germany is the biggest market for that at the moment. Since the election of the new Government, or in the embers of the previous Government, a great deal of borrowing has been taken on for infrastructure development, and it is critical that the UK Government is in the room with the German Government to talk about how we can improve the infrastructure that is associated with the export of hydrogen.

First, however, we need to be very clear that we need to use our hydrogen domestically, particularly to decarbonise our industry. If we get signals that a market in Germany will take on hydrogen as we produce more and more, that will mean that we have confidence in hydrogen being used domestically on a smaller scale in the meantime.

I am probably running over my speaking time. I have set out a lot of the things that we are doing. A lot of the challenges are well known. It is important for us not to delay on this. We need to speak with one voice, and I hope that we can do so, putting aside our disagreements about where hydrogen is best used. I hope that we can all agree that there is an opportunity for Scotland to capitalise on the fact that we will produce far more green electricity than we can get into our grid, even with the grid upgrades; that that represents a significant opportunity to show that Scotland is a world leader in hydrogen production; and that we must work with other nations on solutions for decarbonising industry. On my party’s benches, we are being consistent on that. I hope that we can also be consistent as a Parliament in driving that ambition forward.

I move,

That the Parliament acknowledges that Scotland has the potential to be a leading hydrogen nation and is fully committed to helping the Scottish hydrogen sector to develop and grow as part of a wider European and international network; notes that, following the successful shortlisting of Scottish projects in the recent UK Hydrogen Allocation Round, Scotland is creating a hydrogen economy that will provide economic benefit and a renewable and low-carbon source of energy to help meet its net zero ambitions; supports efforts to ensure that hydrogen is supported via continued investment, and calls on the Scottish Government to continue taking steps to deliver the hydrogen sector export plan.

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In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-17399, in the name of Gillian Martin, on Scotland’s hydrogen future. I invite members who wish to speak i...
The Acting Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero and Energy (Gillian Martin) SNP
Colleagues, today’s debate on Scotland’s hydrogen future is important, and I am pleased to open it. Hydrogen stands as a critical pillar of Scotland’s route ...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
The cabinet secretary began by talking about hydrogen’s role in helping to decarbonise “hard-to-abate” sectors of the economy. Why is she now talking in posi...
Gillian Martin SNP
I think that H100 is a proof of concept. We will have to look at multiple opportunities to decarbonise heating. Some areas in Scotland, such as the western a...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
Patrick Harvie raises an important point, because hydrogen is not an uncontroversial choice. It is not as energy-dense as gas, so there has to be a judgment ...
Gillian Martin SNP
This sort of debate can sometimes be frustrating, because some people are very keen on particular types of technology when there is a myriad of technologies....
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Gillian Martin SNP
Do I have time, Deputy Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
There is time in hand, cabinet secretary.
Sarah Boyack Lab
I will not make my intervention too long. I very much understand the concept of exporting hydrogen, but we have to build the infrastructure. Professor Jim Sk...
Gillian Martin SNP
The Scottish Government produced its own hydrogen export plan, which looks into exactly that, but it is not something that Scotland could do alone. We need t...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I welcome this debate because, amid all the hoo-hah about net zero, just transition, affordable transition or whatever we want to call it, if we asked people...
Gillian Martin SNP
I am grateful to Graham Simpson for listing all those projects. Cumulatively, there are quite a lot of projects, and because I took so many interventions, I ...
Graham Simpson Con
I am not here to do the cabinet secretary’s job for her, but I am happy to assist on this occasion. There are promising projects. I am grateful to Green Cat...
Patrick Harvie Green
Will the member take an intervention?
Graham Simpson Con
Is there time in hand, Deputy Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
There is.
Graham Simpson Con
Jolly good. I will take Mr Harvie’s intervention.
Patrick Harvie Green
The member talked about energy security. In what way does it assist energy security to power home heating with something so massively inefficient as hydrogen...
Graham Simpson Con
I am mystified by the Greens’ approach to hydrogen. It is a fuel that gives off nothing but water; I thought that the Greens would be on board with that. Sur...
Daniel Johnson Lab
As I said before, I think that it is important to pilot this, but hydrogen has about one quarter of the energy density of natural gas. Is it not better to fo...
Graham Simpson Con
I agree with the cabinet secretary that our energy system should be a mix. That is why I am keen to pilot hydrogen—just to see whether it works. I see Mr Joh...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
We need a constructive debate, because this will affect us right across the country. It is important in terms of our environmental and economic ambitions. It...
Patrick Harvie Green
I am grateful for the opportunity to intervene. I note and welcome the fact that Sarah Boyack is specifically referencing green hydrogen. I was a little conf...
Sarah Boyack Lab
There is a hierarchy in maximising the lowest-carbon opportunities for hydrogen. I know that there is an argument for using blue hydrogen, which I will refle...
Gillian Martin SNP
Will the member give way?
Sarah Boyack Lab
Can I just keep going on this point? The key factor about the situation at Grangemouth is that it is not just about increasing the supply of green hydrogen;...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
I welcome the fact that we have the opportunity to debate this issue. It should not be seen as a simplistic debate, and there certainly should not be a split...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I find myself in the uncomfortable position of agreeing with some of what Patrick Harvie has to say—I am very much an advocate for green hydrogen. Blue hydro...
Patrick Harvie Green
If I understand the argument correctly, that still depends on the development and efficiency of carbon capture and storage, which has yet to be proven and wi...