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Meeting of the Parliament 01 May 2025

01 May 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Scotland’s Hydrogen Future
Martin, Gillian SNP Aberdeenshire East Watch on SPTV

This sort of debate can sometimes be frustrating, because some people are very keen on particular types of technology when there is a myriad of technologies. If SGN wants to prove the concept by investing in that project, for which we have given it a small amount of assistance, there will be learnings not only for Scotland but for the whole of the UK and for Europe, which is no bad thing.

I will talk about some of the other areas of work that we have given funding to. Projects in Orkney, Dumfries and Galloway, and Perth and Kinross are among 11 to be awarded a share of £3.4 million to develop the hydrogen supply chain. Further Scottish and UK Government investment, alongside private capital and privately funded innovation, continue to drive the establishment of a thriving hybrid sector and should mean that we will see fruits.

However, certainty and pace are also key to seizing the benefits of hydrogen, and, if we are to maintain momentum, we really need to see the UK Government setting out a clear timetable for the future hydrogen allocation rounds, because many projects want to bid for those. We must also confirm how GB Energy and the national wealth fund will help to boost hydrogen development across the whole of the country, so I am grateful for the conversations that I have been having with the UK Government on both of those points.

It is increasingly clear that realising Scotland’s hydrogen potential and delivering a balanced decarbonised system will require a national hydrogen network with integrated storage infrastructure and a national market for nitrogen, along with recognition of the international market for hydrogen. There is uncertainty about how, where and when network and storage infrastructure will be supported, which is one of the barriers hampering private sector investment in green hydrogen production.

Once built, a national hydrogen network is likely to deliver significant advantages for hydrogen producers located close by. The strategic spatial energy plan that is being developed by the national energy system operator—NESO—will identify the optimal locations for future energy generation and storage, as well as hydrogen infrastructure across the whole of Great Britain. That important work will be completed as soon as possible.

Scotland’s natural resources are not only vital to our own transition, but can and will contribute, and are contributing, significantly to energy security and decarbonisation goals in the UK and Europe. One important context, which I alluded to earlier, is that Europe’s largest manufacturing economy, Germany, is going through a massive energy shift from gas to hydrogen but is unable to produce hydrogen domestically at the scale that it requires and will need to import it from nearby or further afield. Germany is very interested in what is happening in Scotland and among our near neighbours, so we share a huge potential for the production of hydrogen and could play a significant role in helping our neighbours to decarbonise.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-17399, in the name of Gillian Martin, on Scotland’s hydrogen future. I invite members who wish to speak i...
The Acting Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero and Energy (Gillian Martin) SNP
Colleagues, today’s debate on Scotland’s hydrogen future is important, and I am pleased to open it. Hydrogen stands as a critical pillar of Scotland’s route ...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
The cabinet secretary began by talking about hydrogen’s role in helping to decarbonise “hard-to-abate” sectors of the economy. Why is she now talking in posi...
Gillian Martin SNP
I think that H100 is a proof of concept. We will have to look at multiple opportunities to decarbonise heating. Some areas in Scotland, such as the western a...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
Patrick Harvie raises an important point, because hydrogen is not an uncontroversial choice. It is not as energy-dense as gas, so there has to be a judgment ...
Gillian Martin SNP
This sort of debate can sometimes be frustrating, because some people are very keen on particular types of technology when there is a myriad of technologies....
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Gillian Martin SNP
Do I have time, Deputy Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
There is time in hand, cabinet secretary.
Sarah Boyack Lab
I will not make my intervention too long. I very much understand the concept of exporting hydrogen, but we have to build the infrastructure. Professor Jim Sk...
Gillian Martin SNP
The Scottish Government produced its own hydrogen export plan, which looks into exactly that, but it is not something that Scotland could do alone. We need t...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I welcome this debate because, amid all the hoo-hah about net zero, just transition, affordable transition or whatever we want to call it, if we asked people...
Gillian Martin SNP
I am grateful to Graham Simpson for listing all those projects. Cumulatively, there are quite a lot of projects, and because I took so many interventions, I ...
Graham Simpson Con
I am not here to do the cabinet secretary’s job for her, but I am happy to assist on this occasion. There are promising projects. I am grateful to Green Cat...
Patrick Harvie Green
Will the member take an intervention?
Graham Simpson Con
Is there time in hand, Deputy Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
There is.
Graham Simpson Con
Jolly good. I will take Mr Harvie’s intervention.
Patrick Harvie Green
The member talked about energy security. In what way does it assist energy security to power home heating with something so massively inefficient as hydrogen...
Graham Simpson Con
I am mystified by the Greens’ approach to hydrogen. It is a fuel that gives off nothing but water; I thought that the Greens would be on board with that. Sur...
Daniel Johnson Lab
As I said before, I think that it is important to pilot this, but hydrogen has about one quarter of the energy density of natural gas. Is it not better to fo...
Graham Simpson Con
I agree with the cabinet secretary that our energy system should be a mix. That is why I am keen to pilot hydrogen—just to see whether it works. I see Mr Joh...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
We need a constructive debate, because this will affect us right across the country. It is important in terms of our environmental and economic ambitions. It...
Patrick Harvie Green
I am grateful for the opportunity to intervene. I note and welcome the fact that Sarah Boyack is specifically referencing green hydrogen. I was a little conf...
Sarah Boyack Lab
There is a hierarchy in maximising the lowest-carbon opportunities for hydrogen. I know that there is an argument for using blue hydrogen, which I will refle...
Gillian Martin SNP
Will the member give way?
Sarah Boyack Lab
Can I just keep going on this point? The key factor about the situation at Grangemouth is that it is not just about increasing the supply of green hydrogen;...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
I welcome the fact that we have the opportunity to debate this issue. It should not be seen as a simplistic debate, and there certainly should not be a split...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I find myself in the uncomfortable position of agreeing with some of what Patrick Harvie has to say—I am very much an advocate for green hydrogen. Blue hydro...
Patrick Harvie Green
If I understand the argument correctly, that still depends on the development and efficiency of carbon capture and storage, which has yet to be proven and wi...