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Meeting of the Parliament 30 April 2025

30 Apr 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Fishing Industry
Grant, Rhoda Lab Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV

I do not have time to take another intervention.

The Scottish Conservative motion seeks to suggest that we need no change to the current system that its Government presided over. What is much more concerning is that it seeks to conflate our national security and the security of the European continent with discussions on our working relationship with the European Union.

Regardless of what happens with the talks in May, the United Kingdom needs to work with the whole of Europe to protect our national interests in the light of Russian aggression. That is essential for our shared security. Not working together would be in no one’s interests, and it is simply wrong to suggest otherwise. Furthermore, it is crass, in the face of an aggressor, to conflate our national security with our economic wellbeing. The UK Government has made it clear that that will not happen.

There are messages on the fisheries negotiations that we, as a Parliament, must clearly send to the United Kingdom Government. We all understand the importance of fisheries to Scotland, and we need to encourage new entrants into the industry. Setting up fishing enterprises requires investment, so we need to create entry-level opportunities. We also all know that more of the earnings of smaller boats are retained in their communities, and that is an excellent way to encourage new entrants. New entrants also need to be able to access quota. Therefore, new quota must be leased in the public interest, not sold to the highest bidder. We should build on the Shetland model, in which quota is owned by a community and then leased to those who live in the local community and land their catches in Shetland. Orkney Council and Comhairle nan Eilean Siar also do that with prawn quota.

That should be how we manage our quota going forward. It gives councils the ability to manage fisheries in a way that benefits local economies. That is community wealth building in action: retaining the economic wealth of our fishing industries in our communities to ensure that we have the onshore benefits as well as the offshore benefits of fishing. All those things need to be discussed and put in place.

Let us be clear that the Tories pushed for Brexit to take back control of fishing. Sadly, they had already allowed the sale of United Kingdom quota to foreign boats—and quota was sold to the highest bidder. We will take no lessons from the party that created discord with our nearest neighbours in Europe to cover its own incompetence.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-17360, in the name of Tim Eagle, on protecting Scotland’s fishing industry. I invite members who wish to ...
Tim Eagle (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
When I was representing my local fishing community as a councillor, I made a promise that, if I ever became an MSP, I would make sure to raise the subject of...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
It is absolutely crass to suggest that fishing will be negotiated for national security. Surely, the member recognises that.
Tim Eagle Con
I did not say that.
Rhoda Grant Lab
That is the premise of your motion. I ask you to recant and actually have a debate about fishing.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Through the chair, please.
Tim Eagle Con
The member might need to read my motion. It does not mention defence, and I am not going to mention defence in my speech—others may, but I am not going to. I...
The Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs, Land Reform and Islands (Mairi Gougeon) SNP
Perhaps the member would like to read our paper on the marine economy and what that would look like in an independent Scotland, which was published as part o...
Tim Eagle Con
I will read rhetoric from the SNP less and listen more to my constituents who want out of the common fisheries policy. Labour members will perhaps challenge...
The Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs, Land Reform and Islands (Mairi Gougeon) SNP
I welcome Tim Eagle’s recognition that the TCA did not deliver for the fishing sector. Perhaps the Scottish Tories should have opened the debate by offering ...
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
I appreciate the cabinet secretary’s remarks. Has the Scottish Government reached out to the UK Labour Government to ask for a meeting to discuss Labour’s im...
Mairi Gougeon SNP
Unfortunately, the interministerial group meetings at which we would have hoped to discuss these issues over the past couple of months were cancelled at the ...
Douglas Ross (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. The point that the cabinet secretary made was—I know the word that I am not allowed to use—deliberately misleading an...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You are not allowed to use that terminology either, Mr Ross.
Douglas Ross Con
I cannot use the words “lying” or “deliberately misleading”?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
No, you cannot.
Douglas Ross Con
What words can I use?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
That is not a point of order, Mr Ross.
Douglas Ross Con
The cabinet secretary has—Interruption. I said “deliberately misleading”, but I am not allowed to use that term either. The cabinet secretary deliberately us...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You have made your point, Mr Ross. That is not a point of order—it is perhaps a debating point. I require the cabinet secretary to move her amendment.
Mairi Gougeon SNP
I move amendment S6M-17370.3, to leave out from first “with the EU” to second “with the EU” and insert: “on fishing with the EU that enhances access for EU ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call Rhoda Grant to speak to and move amendment S6M-17360.1. 16:44
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
The Conservatives are so devoid of ideas that they are reduced to a point whereby they must feed discord on everything that they touch. The United Kingdom Go...
Tim Eagle Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Rhoda Grant Lab
I will take a very quick intervention.
Tim Eagle Con
Does the member agree that it is best to have annual negotiations, as was expected at the end of the TCA, rather than multi-annual negotiations, which is bei...
Rhoda Grant Lab
There is no deal. We will see what comes out, and we will have discussions about that when it happens. How the previous UK Conservative Government handled t...
Jamie Halcro Johnston (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Rhoda Grant Lab
I do not have time to take another intervention. The Scottish Conservative motion seeks to suggest that we need no change to the current system that its Gov...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to conclude.