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Meeting of the Parliament 26 March 2025

26 Mar 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Eagle, Tim Con Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV

I remind members of my entry in the register of members’ interests, which states that I am a small farmer. I also have a couple of short limited duration tenancies. I apologise in advance for speaking a little quickly; I have a lot to get through.

I wish that I could share the enthusiasm that the cabinet secretary showed at the start of her speech. It is a nice day outside, but I do not think that it is in here.

I will start with a wee quote:

“My analysis suggests that the impact of these provisions on the pattern of land ownership in Scotland will be vanishingly small at best and zero at worst. Importantly, no amount of amendments at Stage 2 or 3 will change the underlying mechanisms being relied upon in the Bill.”

I could tell members that that pretty cynical quote is from a known Government critic or perhaps a large lobby organisation, but no—it is from Andy Wightman, a former Green MSP and a leading figure on land reform. I do not agree with his view on land reform, but what a quote that is, and he is not alone—the Scottish Land Commission, Scottish Land & Estates, NFU Scotland, the Law Society of Scotland and others have all raised significant concerns about the bill.

The policy memorandum to the bill says:

“These proposals deliver the Bute House Agreement commitment to deliver legal mechanisms to tackle scale and concentration of land ownership.”

The moment that I read that, I realised what the bill actually is—nothing other than a measure for the Green Party’s consistent desire to take away rights from individuals—[Interruption.] You can groan all you like, but that is despite many of those landholdings delivering on climate change goals.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-16892, in the name of Mairi Gougeon, on the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. 15:20
The Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs, Land Reform and Islands (Mairi Gougeon) SNP
I think that today is a good day. Spring is upon us, and it is a time of renewed hope and optimism. It is on that note that I am proud to open today’s debate...
Douglas Lumsden (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
The majority of people who gave evidence to the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee were of the opinion that the bill would not realise the aims that ha...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Always speak through the chair.
Mairi Gougeon SNP
I thank Douglas Lumsden for raising that point. I listened very carefully to the evidence that the committee received and to those concerns. There was broad ...
Douglas Lumsden Con
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Mairi Gougeon SNP
I will give way to Rachael Hamilton, as I have already taken an intervention from Douglas Lumsden.
Rachael Hamilton Con
Does the cabinet secretary believe that there could be a conflict of interest, given that Scottish ministers have to be answerable to decisions made on land ...
Mairi Gougeon SNP
The member raises an important point. I recognise that the Scottish Government is a significant landowner in Scotland, but I do not believe that there is suc...
Mercedes Villalba (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Does the cabinet secretary recognise that, provided that their bank balance is big enough, there is currently nothing to stop someone from buying up all of S...
Mairi Gougeon SNP
I thank Mercedes Villalba for raising that point. There are all sorts of issues in relation to that, but I believe that our proposals, which the committee ha...
Fergus Ewing (Inverness and Nairn) (SNP) SNP
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Mairi Gougeon SNP
I am sorry, but I have to make progress. We have to recognise that reform must be carried out in a way that is fair to all parties, is supported by evidence...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Edward Mountain to speak on behalf of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee. 15:31
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I am pleased to speak in this debate on behalf of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee. In accordance with parliamentary rules, I will make a full d...
Mercedes Villalba Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Edward Mountain Con
I will if I have time, Presiding Officer.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
There is time, but it is very limited.
Mercedes Villalba Lab
Is it fair to say that those who opposed part 1 tended to be representatives of those who own large amounts of land in Scotland?
Edward Mountain Con
That is not entirely true. Some of the people who opposed part 1 were people who manage land holdings across Scotland, whether in the private or public secto...
Fergus Ewing SNP
Will Edward Mountain give way briefly?
Edward Mountain Con
I think that I am short of time, but I would like to give way.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
There is a limited bit of time in hand.
Fergus Ewing SNP
The bill proposes legal measures that would, I gather, be applied retrospectively. Is the committee at all concerned that that might contravene the European ...
Edward Mountain Con
I think that the committee was more concerned that constantly changing agricultural tenancies retrospectively could cause problems for the letting of land in...
Tim Eagle (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I remind members of my entry in the register of members’ interests, which states that I am a small farmer. I also have a couple of short limited duration ten...
Mairi Gougeon SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Tim Eagle Con
Go for it.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Although it was not lacking in courtesy, I note that that language was a bit relaxed.