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Meeting of the Parliament 25 March 2025

25 Mar 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Fair Trade
Mason, John Ind Glasgow Shettleston Watch on SPTV

I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in the debate. I also thank Colin Smyth, who leads the cross-party group on fair trade, which I seek to attend as often as I can.

The focus of the debate is on fair trade around the world, especially where the richer west buys goods and services from poorer developing countries. However, as other members have mentioned, such principles should apply across the board. Fair trade should include farmers in Scotland being paid a reasonable price for the milk that they produce and our workers being paid properly for the jobs that they do. The concept of fair trade is absolutely excellent, and we should surely all support it.

We, in the richer west, should not maintain our affluent lifestyles at the expense of workers who suffer miserable conditions and who are paid minimal wages in the developing world or the global south. Many of us can easily afford to pay a little bit extra for coffee or wine, with the assurance that the farmers who grow the produce are getting a good deal so that they can work reasonable hours, live in decent housing and afford to send their children to school.

It is encouraging that fair trade products have improved over the years. For example, we get good-quality coffee in the Parliament—I remember the days when fair trade coffee was of pretty poor quality. Therefore, I congratulate those who were involved in once again achieving fair trade nation status for Scotland.

Secondly, we need to go further. It still seems to be a narrow range of products that have fair trade varieties available. According to The Grocer, there are almost 5,000 fair trade products for sale in the UK. However, I still feel that that is a restricted list. Specifically, we have not made as much progress with clothing as we might have done. There is praise in the report for the University of St Andrews shop, which supplies fair trade sweatshirts and hoodies to students, but that is clearly less common in high street fashion retailers.

In a meeting of the CPG, pupils from Corpus Christi primary school in Glasgow told us that they had worked with Koolskools and had sourced and sold fair trade uniforms, so we know that it can be done. However, from my memory of that meeting, they said that they had to go through a number of hoops to be allowed to do that. My understanding is that the procurement rules and regulations for public bodies such as councils do not always sit well with a desire to expand fair trade.

Thirdly, the fair trade system needs to be tightened up. It is definitely worth while at the moment but some questions were raised as my staff were doing research for my speech. Some figures look good on the surface, such as

“88% of local authorities have schools involved in significant Fair Trade activity.”

However, we are then told that only 6.5 per cent of Scottish schools are part of the Fairtrade schools scheme. That does not sound quite so good.

There are the 10 principles of fair trade from the World Fair Trade Organization and, although they are all good principles, some of them seem to be a bit too woolly. The principle of

“No Child Labour, No Forced Labour”

is pretty clear cut—that is good—and I accept that “Good Working Conditions” will inevitably vary from country to country, taking into account the local norms and cultures. However, other principles such as “Promote Fair Trade” and “Capacity Building” leave a lot to the imagination and a fair bit of wriggle room.

I note the recommendations in the report, some of which are for us as MSPs to take on board. For example, there is the recommendation for

“explicit inclusion of Fair Trade in legislation”

and to

“Be more prescriptive and supportive for MSP action to implement the pledge.”

The point is also made in the report that there should be better

“ways of measuring what is being implemented in constituency and local level.”

I am in broad agreement with the Labour amendment, especially the point about

“establishing a standard definition and measurement framework for Fair Trade in public sector procurement”.

I have no problem with supporting that.

However, not surprisingly, I have some reservations about the angle of the Conservative amendment, despite it being lodged by the relatively pleasant Conservative member, Murdo Fraser. [Laughter.] Free trade and fair trade are not the same thing, as Patrick Harvie pointed out earlier.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-16923, in the name of Angus Robertson, on “Scotland—a fair trade nation”. I invite members who wish to sp...
The Cabinet Secretary for Constitution, External Affairs and Culture (Angus Robertson) SNP
I am proud to have the opportunity to open the debate, which will celebrate Scotland’s renewed status as a fair trade nation. The title of fair trade nation...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (Ind) Ind
I agree with a lot of what the cabinet secretary has said. He mentioned that there is activity in many local authorities. However, does he accept that that i...
Angus Robertson SNP
I agree with John Mason that the level of support will vary from one part of the country to another. I will use his intervention as a springboard to encourag...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
The minister will have seen reports today challenging Ed Miliband on the sourcing of solar panels from China. Has he reassured himself about the source of so...
Angus Robertson SNP
I am grateful to Willie Rennie for raising the issue. I have a confession to make: I have not read those reports yet. I commit to doing so, and will look clo...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Murdo Fraser to speak to and move amendment S6M-16923.1. 15:14
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I very much welcome the opportunity to debate the topic of Scotland as a fair trade nation. In the course of my remarks, I will talk about the progress that ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Colin Smyth to speak to and move amendment S6M-16923.2. 15:23
Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Scotland’s status as a fair trade nation reflects a commitment to social justice, sustainability and global solidarity. It is a powerful statement of our sha...
John Mason Ind
The member has mentioned a lot of good news that I certainly support and welcome. He has also said a lot about food. Does he accept that we still have some w...
Colin Smyth Lab
I agree entirely with the really important point that John Mason has made. I will come on to the importance of procurement in a second, because if the questi...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
I am very happy to have the chance to speak in this debate. We have already heard a few examples—my guess is that we will hear a fair few more—of local fair ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I say to our guests in the gallery, who are most welcome here, that we do not really do applause in the gallery, because it is the elected members who are th...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
Presiding Officer, I am glad that you warned them before my speech, because I am sure that there would have been rapturous applause from across the gallery a...
Patrick Harvie Green
Sound judgment.
Willie Rennie LD
Let us see. The joining-the-dots bit—about the silo mentality that exists—is a fair point. On the intervention that I made on the minister about Chinese-...
Patrick Harvie Green
Would Willie Rennie agree that the solar panel example that he gives is a good argument for why a systemic change approach is required? There is no way that ...
Willie Rennie LD
On that scale of products, Government action is, of course, needed, as is a bigger-system approach. There needs to be a global recognition and understanding ...
George Adam (Paisley) (SNP) SNP
It is a privilege to speak in this debate on Scotland’s status as a fair trade nation, which is an achievement that represents our unwavering commitment to f...
Alexander Stewart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I am pleased to contribute on behalf of the Scottish Conservatives, and I will be supporting the amendment in the name of Murdo Fraser. We strongly welcome t...
John Mason Ind
Buying one coffee in this Parliament would count as buying something once a year, but that is not a very high bar.
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
I can give you the time back, Mr Stewart.
Alexander Stewart Con
If everybody buys one coffee, that is a start. The public understand. As I have said before, we go to various events and have the option of using fair trade....
Karen Adam (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
I join my colleagues in welcoming Scotland’s renewed status as a fair trade nation. It is not merely a badge of honour; it is a reaffirmation of who we are a...
Foysol Choudhury (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I join members in welcoming the continued recognition of Scotland as a fair trade nation. It is a testament not only to the work of campaigners and businesse...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
I, too, applaud Scotland’s continued status as a fair trade nation. As we know, the principle of fair trade means that farmers and other producers in less ec...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (Ind) Ind
I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in the debate. I also thank Colin Smyth, who leads the cross-party group on fair trade, which I seek to attend as ...
Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
John Mason Ind
Very briefly, yes.