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Meeting of the Parliament 19 March 2025

19 Mar 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Temporary Accommodation (Children’s Rights)

It is really interesting that, in trying to amend Labour’s motion, the Government has lodged an add-on amendment. In effect, it is accepting that there has been a breach of the UNCRC. This is quite a moment. The Government is readily accepting that there has been not just one breach but, we assume, numerous breaches.

However, on the back of that, there is no urgent action of the type that I would expect. The minister has just repeated what he is already doing. It is quite an admission for the Government to acknowledge that the UNCRC—the United Nations international convention on children’s rights—has been breached on numerous occasions. I hope that, when the minister sums up the debate, we will hear a little more about the urgent action that is needed, because we have heard about the real consequences.

The report reveals that the issue is about not just numbers, but human lives and the impact on children’s security, health—including mental health—and education. It is about schools and transport. It is not just one child whose life is in limbo; thousands of children are in limbo.

The quote that struck me the most shows that the effect is as much mental as it is physical:

“I’m coming back to a home that no matter how I clean it, it feels dirty”.

You cannot get that out of your head. That feeling must be there 24/7—you must never escape it. Therefore, I hope that the minister responds in a much more significant way than he has done so far.

The minister talked about the standards framework, but Meghan Gallacher is right—the work began two years ago and we are still at the starting line. We do not even know what the baseline is. I have asked the minister about that previously, but he was unable to give me an answer. The Government has not even asked whether we are anywhere near meeting the standards framework. Are we? In relation to temporary accommodation, do we understand what is really going on with social landlords and private landlords across the country? It does not seem that the minister is in a hurry to try to understand that, because work on the framework started two years ago.

We should not forget that half of the children in temporary accommodation in Glasgow are from refugee families. That has not been mentioned in the debate so far. They have to live in limbo for a very long time. We need to consider how we respond to and treat refugees, because, as I have witnessed, they have to live in hotels and other types of accommodation for very long periods.

The root of the problem is the lack of investment. I disagree with Meghan Gallacher on one point. She says that the bill is not driving any kind of investment, but I think that the bill and Government policy probably are driving investment simply by removing many of the damaging policies that the Government introduced in previous years—it has neutered those—and because the Government is considering bringing in exemptions around build-to-rent housing and mid-market rents that were not there before. Therefore, the bill represents progress, but only through the removal of the barriers that the Government had put up in the first place. To some degree—[Interruption.] I am trying to be generous. To some degree there is progress. I am hunting for some credit to give to the minister.

We need to take the opportunity through the bill to ensure that those changes incentivise investment in housing, because we have seen significant detriment in recent years. There has been a 12 per cent decrease in starts for housing in all sectors and a 10 per cent decrease in completions. That is a terrible record, and we need to fix it.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-16844, in the name of Mark Griffin, on children’s rights and temporary accommodation. I invite members wh...
Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
If you are a mum or dad, or if you have no kids at all, Shelter Scotland’s publication, “In Their Own Words: Children’s Experiences in Temporary Accommodatio...
The Minister for Housing (Paul McLennan) SNP
I welcome this debate on housing, which follows a few weeks after the publication of Shelter Scotland’s research on children who are living in temporary acco...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Will the minister take an intervention?
Paul McLennan SNP
I will come back to the member once I am further into my speech, if that is all right. That is why our response to the housing emergency is focused on worki...
Martin Whitfield Lab
Is the Scottish Government saying that temporary accommodation complies with the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child’s rules on the human ri...
Paul McLennan SNP
I will come to that later in my speech. We also know that harm can be caused by the condition of some temporary accommodation. The Scottish Government is c...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Paul McLennan SNP
Do I have time, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
No.
Paul McLennan SNP
I have raised that issue with Mr Simpson on a number of occasions, and I will try and bring up the issue in my closing speech. We already have a strong set ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I remind members that we are always tight for time in these Opposition debates, as we are today. I call Meghan Gallacher to speak to and move amendment S6M-...
Meghan Gallacher (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
It has been 10 months since the Scottish Government was forced into declaring a housing emergency. Local councils, of course, followed suit, referencing the ...
Mercedes Villalba (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Meghan Gallacher Con
I do not have time; I have only four minutes for my speech. The figure of 10,300 should shame the Scottish Government into action, and action is exactly wha...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
I am deeply grateful to Shelter Scotland and the authors of this clear and comprehensive yet heartbreaking report. Just reading it is a harrowing experience....
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
It is really interesting that, in trying to amend Labour’s motion, the Government has lodged an add-on amendment. In effect, it is accepting that there has b...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, Mr Rennie. We move to the open debate. 16:25
Foysol Choudhury (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
The report from Shelter Scotland is uncomfortable and depressing reading, but, unfortunately, for many members, it will be unsurprising, and it merely confir...
Marie McNair (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP) SNP
The SNP Scottish Government is committed to every child having the right to grow up in a safe and comfortable home. In its report, Shelter Scotland states: ...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
It is now nearly a year since the Scottish Government accepted what the rest of us already knew, and declared a housing emergency. It has been a year of miss...
Paul McLennan SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Graham Simpson Con
No. The minister can come back in later, potentially. Government statistics show us that 15,500 children in Scotland became homeless last year. According to...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
It is a pleasure to follow Graham Simpson in this very important debate. The voices of Scotland’s children need to be heard. The report “In Their Own Words:...
Willie Coffey (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP) SNP
The Shelter report provides us with a clear message on the impact on children and young people who are experiencing life in temporary accommodation. The focu...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We move to the closing speeches. 16:46
Maggie Chapman Green
In closing the debate for the Scottish Greens, I reiterate my thanks to Shelter and to the researchers, children and families who made the report such a valu...
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
Shelter Scotland’s report can be summed up in one sentence: the SNP has failed Scottish children. Our country is gripped by a housing crisis, which is forcin...
Paul McLennan SNP
The report that was published earlier this month highlighted the devastating impact that living in poor-quality temporary accommodation can have on children’...
Mark Griffin Lab
Will the minister take an intervention?