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Meeting of the Parliament 19 March 2025

19 Mar 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
West Coast Ferry Services

I suppose that it depends on the starting point, but I think that the cabinet secretary had some nerve to begin her speech by saying that progress has been made. There has not been one inch of embarrassment or shame about this whole episode—delayed ferries that are over their budget, painted-on windows, a leaking hull and short cables, with it being cheaper to scrap the ferries and start again. How embarrassing has this whole episode been?

Not one minister has resigned as a result of the series of catastrophes over many years. The people who have been let down are the yard workers, taxpayers and islanders. Even though ministers owned the yard and, before that, their favourite industrialist was brought in to save the yard, no minister has accepted any responsibility.

It was striking that, at the Finance and Public Administration Committee yesterday, the permanent secretary commented, in passing, that we need to learn the lessons from the past on procurement. What could he have been talking about?

We need cast our minds back only a few years to the BBC documentary that exposed the procurement process for those two infamous ferries. This afternoon, the cabinet secretary refused to say what proportion of the bid related to social benefit, but it is interesting that, in the previous procurement process, the bids were assessed 50 per cent on price and 50 per cent on quality. This time, bids were assessed 65 per cent on quality and 35 per cent on price. Therefore, the percentage of the assessment that was based on price was lowered, and yet Ferguson’s did not win the contract this time. It won it the time before, when the assessment was 50:50 on price and quality.

The previous process involved a 424-page document being provided to Ferguson’s, rather than to any other bidder, and design support being given to the company. It is clear that the previous process was rigged, but that has never been admitted by the Government and still no minister has resigned.

The reality is that the Government is more interested in chasing the headlines than it is in building a proper industrial strategy. Just look at BiFab: the Government wasted £50 million with no benefit whatsoever. The company collapsed, no jobs were saved, and the minister said,

“you win some, you lose some.”

Dalzell steelworks was, in effect, mothballed—that has been the case for months. There has been no benefit, and the money involved represents considerable exposure for the Government. The Trump tariffs pose a considerable threat to the Lochaber smelter, and we have seen none of the 2,000 jobs that were promised. And now Ferguson’s. All that because the Government has been more fixated on chasing the headlines than on building a proper industrial strategy. The Government should be ashamed.

I supported the budget this year, and we worked with the Government because we were building in more support for the northern isles, but the rest of the strategy is an embarrassment. I wish that the Government would be honest about that, because, as the permanent secretary said only yesterday, we need to learn the lessons from the past. This Government seems to be completely incapable of doing so.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-16845, in the name of Claire Baker, on reforming Scotland’s west coast ferry services. I invite those mem...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
Since I took on the role of Labour transport spokesperson, barely a week has gone by in which I have not been asked to comment on the latest development in t...
Stuart McMillan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Claire Baker Lab
If it is brief—I do not have much time.
Stuart McMillan SNP
Is Claire Baker aware of the reasons why the ferries in Turkey are late?
Claire Baker Lab
It is recognised that the ferries in Turkey are late due to a multitude of issues. The issue in Scotland, however, is that the constant drip, drip of delays ...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I hear that Labour will now support the direct award of the contract, but at a meeting of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee, at which the Labour P...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Members should always speak through the chair.
Claire Baker Lab
I hope to hear from the cabinet secretary on that. I understand that she has had a meeting with passenger groups, local authorities, unions and islanders, an...
The Cabinet Secretary for Transport (Fiona Hyslop) SNP
This debate allows the Opposition to attack the Government, but it also provides an opportunity to highlight the significant progress that this Government is...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
What weighting was social value given in the tender procedure?
Fiona Hyslop SNP
We are currently in a standstill position on that procurement, so, quite clearly and quite responsibly, I cannot comment on the procurement process at this t...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The cabinet secretary is concluding.
Fiona Hyslop SNP
I move amendment S6M-16845.2, to leave out from “deplores” to end and insert: “recognises the challenges that have faced a number of island communities with...
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
I will speak to the amendment in my name and make it clear that we will be supporting the Labour motion before us this afternoon. Scotland’s ferry network h...
Fiona Hyslop SNP
Will the member give way?
Sue Webber Con
I am afraid, cabinet secretary, given the timings for the debate, I do not have the opportunity to do so.
Fiona Hyslop SNP
The language!
Sue Webber Con
Fine—I will give way.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Ladies, please.
Fiona Hyslop SNP
I ask the member to be very circumspect in talking down Ferguson’s at a time when it is seeking commercial contracts.
Sue Webber Con
I am not sure what I do in this chamber that gets under the skin of SNP ministers. Yesterday, my legitimate questions were treated with equal disdain by the ...
Ariane Burgess (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
I am grateful for the opportunity to discuss ferries in the chamber. They are crucial to the people I represent across the Highlands and Islands, so it is vi...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
I suppose that it depends on the starting point, but I think that the cabinet secretary had some nerve to begin her speech by saying that progress has been m...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We now move to the open debate, with back-bench speeches of up to four minutes. 15:17
Katy Clark (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Thank you, Presiding Officer, for the opportunity to speak about the continuing economic and social damage that is being experienced as a result of poor deci...
Stuart McMillan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP
I remind the Parliament that my wife works part time for CalMac. In response to Claire Baker’s comments regarding Turkey, I put on the public record at the ...
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Stuart McMillan SNP
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