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Meeting of the Parliament 13 March 2025

13 Mar 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Health and Social Care Innovation

A generous four minutes. That is very kind of you. Thank you.

I am pleased to speak on behalf of the Scottish Liberal Democrats in this important debate. I am grateful to Neil Gray and the Scottish Government for making time for the debate this afternoon.

Scotland has always been a nation of medical pioneers. From the discovery of penicillin to the invention of the hypodermic syringe, we have a proud history of innovation that has saved millions upon millions of lives. Although we are rightly proud of our history, we must not lose focus on where we are heading. It is clear that we need action, investment and leadership to drive the next generation of medical breakthroughs and reform a national health service that has been operating in crisis mode for years.

Scotland’s medical technology sector is thriving, with more than 250 companies employing more than 9,000 people. It is growing at an impressive 8 per cent a year, against market conditions that we know all too well. However, while the industry moves forward, our NHS remains stuck in the past. It is slow to adapt and is being held back by outdated systems that do not speak to each other and a Government that is too risk averse to embrace change. We should be leading the way, but instead we are still lagging behind.

That has not been helped by the UK Government’s cancellation of £500 million in AI research funding. If we want to move forward, we need to back innovation—not cut it off at the knees. AI is not just an idea for the future; it is delivering results today. For example, in Mid and South Essex NHS Foundation Trust’s area, machine learning was used to cut did-not-attend rates and fill last-minute cancellation slots, thereby preventing nearly 600 wasted appointments in that small region of the country alone. Imagine what that could mean for the Scottish NHS: fewer missed appointments, shorter waiting lists, and more time spent giving patients the care that they deserve, in the time that they deserve to have it. We have already seen the potential. To give another example, the system developed through the GEMINI project—Grampian’s evaluation of Mia in an innovative national breast screening initiative—has boosted breast cancer detection rates by 10 per cent. Such technologies are already making a difference, and they are saving lives. We need to embrace them if we are to shift our NHS from being a reactive service that is constantly in crisis mode to a proactive one.

We also need to make NHS tech more robust across the board. Cyberattacks on our health service, particularly those carried out through ransomware, have cost the taxpayer tens of millions of pounds. A stronger, smarter electronic infrastructure would not only prevent such attacks but make the entire system more efficient and secure. I need not remind members that we live in an increasingly hostile world, where the online cyberlandscape is the new battlefield. New technologies present us with a real opportunity, and Liberal Democrats want to see us seizing that. To do so, we need real leadership.

Agreements such as those enabling the health and transformation partnership and the work of the accelerated national innovation adoption pathway are steps in the right direction. I am pleased that the Government is now considering that approach and taking it seriously.

I am also glad that, later this year, we will see the introduction of the NHS app, which we heard about earlier in the debate. Right now, our systems are outdated and rely on bits of paper. All members see that in our weekly surgeries. For example, I remember raising in the chamber the case of a woman who had been referred to the dental hospital with suspected mouth cancer. She presented me with a letter that had printed on it the date of its dictation, which was three months before the letter was typed up. We are still using technology from the 1970s. Those bits of paper are passed between patients and medical teams, getting lost on the way. Sometimes, for example, the use of a broken fax machine can mean patient care being delayed. That is right—a fax machine. The NHS must be the only arm of our public services that still uses those outdated and obsolete technologies. Patients and staff alike are fed up with the day-to-day friction that is caused by a startling lack of innovation. That is not the fault of our hard-working NHS practitioners or our care staff; it is just a constipation in the delivery of the technology.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-16777, in the name of Neil Gray, on the adoption of innovation in health and social care. 15:22
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Neil Gray) SNP
In January, at the National Robotarium in Edinburgh, the First Minister set out our priorities for national health service recovery and renewal, which are to...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I agree with the cabinet secretary that we have a fantastic tech and innovation sector in Scotland, but we have always had that. The problem has been about t...
Neil Gray SNP
Brian Whittle has neatly pre-empted the paragraphs in my speech about how I want us to foster innovation to de-risk some of the investment decisions that are...
Sandesh Gulhane (Glasgow) (Con) Con
I am glad to hear about the work that is being done on diabetes and weight management in particular. What is the cabinet secretary’s position on the use of O...
Neil Gray SNP
We are still exploring such matters. As innovations come forward and improvements are made in weight management treatment, we must explore them, but we must ...
Sandesh Gulhane (Glasgow) (Con) Con
I remind members of my entry in the register of members’ interests: I am a practising NHS GP, which means that, every week, I see at first hand the consequen...
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Sandesh Gulhane mentioned James Blackwood and AI. I understand that he came here to give a presentation at a briefing organised by the Scottish Parliament in...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Please always speak through the chair.
Sandesh Gulhane Con
Wow. The member says that some progress is being made when, as I said, we were one of the first countries to use AI, back in 2011, but we do not have any str...
Douglas Lumsden (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Sandesh Gulhane mentioned the app down in England. We do not have anything comparable up here. Is there any reason why we could not copy that app or even use...
Sandesh Gulhane Con
In my opinion, we need to be collaborating with the rest of the UK. Why on earth would we not do that, taking the best that it has and using it ourselves? We...
Neil Gray SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Sandesh Gulhane Con
Do I have time, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
There is plenty of time in hand.
Sandesh Gulhane Con
I will take the intervention.
Neil Gray SNP
I recognise the point that Sandesh Gulhane makes. When those who are innovating come forward with new ideas, medical devices or technologies, there is a need...
Sandesh Gulhane Con
I would welcome any programme that pushes good innovations and good pieces of technology that could be used by all of NHS Scotland. The cabinet secretary me...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to open for the Labour Party in this debate. In an age of technological marvels—from artificial intelligence to identifying cancers earlier and ...
Sandesh Gulhane Con
On the point about how we are achieving that, does Paul Sweeney back Keir Starmer’s idea about scrapping NHS England, and does he think that we should do the...
Paul Sweeney Lab
As the member knows, the healthcare system in England—which has been a separate entity from the one in Scotland since its foundation, in 1948—is broadly mode...
Brian Whittle Con
I agree with Paul Sweeney on that point. To follow on from the point that I made to the cabinet secretary, we had the DHI, which was supposed to be there to ...
Paul Sweeney Lab
There is an instinctive risk aversion about rapid prototyping and adoption, which the member rightly highlights. There could be greater achievements in that ...
Neil Gray SNP
To bridge the gap between what Brian Whittle mentioned in his intervention and what Paul Sweeney said in his response, I point to the Techscaler network, the...
Paul Sweeney Lab
It is perfectly fair that the health secretary highlighted those examples. The question is how quickly we can disseminate, integrate and rapidly roll those t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Alex Cole-Hamilton to open on behalf of the Scottish Liberal Democrats. You have a generous four minutes, Mr Cole-Hamilton. 15:53
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
Forgive me, Presiding Officer. I missed the time that you said I had.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I said a generous four minutes. We have quite a bit of time in hand.
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
A generous four minutes. That is very kind of you. Thank you. I am pleased to speak on behalf of the Scottish Liberal Democrats in this important debate. I ...
Paul Sweeney Lab
Mr Cole-Hamilton makes an interesting point about NHS staff. My experience of interactions with NHS clinicians is that they have plenty of ideas for continuo...