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Meeting of the Parliament 13 March 2025

13 Mar 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Health and Social Care Innovation
Gray, Neil SNP Airdrie and Shotts Watch on SPTV

We are still exploring such matters. As innovations come forward and improvements are made in weight management treatment, we must explore them, but we must do that in a clinically safe way.

We will also be supporting two pharmacogenetic programmes. Pharmacogenetics looks at how an individual’s genetic variation affects their response to specific drugs. About 30 per cent of people have a genetic variation that means that they do not respond to a drug that is commonly prescribed to patients who have recently suffered a stroke. The purpose of that drug is to reduce the risk of a secondary stroke, which can often be debilitating. NHS Tayside has developed a pathway to allow such patients to be tested and given the most effective treatment.

Over the next two years, we will invest £1.1 million to extend that innovation across Scotland. Once it has been fully adopted, it will impact about 20,000 patients per year, with an estimated 6,000 being moved to an alternative treatment, which will reduce pressure on our rehabilitation and social care services and the likelihood that those patients will suffer further harm. The programme will begin in October, and it will be rolled out to all territorial boards within 12 months.

We will also use genetic testing to improve care for our youngest citizens. About one in 500 babies are born with a genetic variation that could result in permanent hearing loss if they are treated with a common emergency antibiotic. Over the next two years, we will invest £800,000 to establish a pathway across Scotland that will use a point-of-care test to quickly identify whether critically ill babies have the genetic variation in question.

Once that programme has been fully adopted, more than 3,000 newborn babies a year will be tested, and those who require an alternative antibiotic will be provided with one. That will avoid such babies suffering unnecessary harm and will reduce the pressure on an NHS that will no longer need to provide them with additional care and support. The programme will begin in October and will be rolled out to all territorial boards within 18 months.

Patient safety is and will remain of paramount importance as we look to adopt new technologies in the NHS. I recently visited NHS Lothian to see its early implementation of the NHS Scotland scan for safety programme, which uses point-of-care scanning to provide rapid electronic traceability for implantable medical devices. Such scanning enables near instantaneous tracing of devices in the event of a safety concern.

If we are to take full advantage of the innovations that are emerging through ANIA and achieve the vision that was set out in the First Minister’s speech, we need to take swifter action in moving towards a digital first approach to reform.

We are already seeing the impact of that approach in the NHS. Exactly five years ago this week, we set out to the Parliament our plans to accelerate our Near Me service in support of remote video-based access to appointments. At that time, fewer than 20,000 appointments had been delivered remotely. Now, Near Me is embedded in nearly 2,000 services across more than 100 organisations and has been used for well over 2.5 million appointments.

I previously informed the Parliament of the First Minister’s commitment to launch an online app from December this year, starting with a cohort of people in NHS Lanarkshire. That will be the start of a five-year development of a digital front door to Scotland’s health and social care services. Health and care data will be presented digitally by connecting to a range of new and existing digital systems in primary, secondary and social care. That information will then be presented to the person who needs it in an accessible, understandable and inclusive way. Over time, the functionality of the app will be extended to include social care and community health. That is crucial to breaking down silos and delivering person-centred care. Full details of our plan to roll that out across the country will be finalised in the summer.

Now is the moment to grasp the transformational potential of scientific and technological innovation to improve our health and social care systems and the crucial services that they deliver for the people of Scotland. I am privileged to have opened this debate, and I welcome the contributions and thoughtfulness to come.

I move,

That the Parliament believes that there are significant health and economic benefits in supporting and adopting innovation in the health and social care service; recognises the urgent and critical need for health and social care recovery and renewal to meet the changing demands on the NHS whilst protecting its founding principles of remaining in the hands of the public and free at the point of need; agrees that reform can and must be accelerated by scientific and technological innovation and that rapid national adoption of research-proven innovations are essential to drive further improvements for patients, and welcomes partnership working between Scotland’s world class academic institutions, life sciences and technology businesses, the public sector and the NHS to improve health outcomes and support a thriving economy.

15:35  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-16777, in the name of Neil Gray, on the adoption of innovation in health and social care. 15:22
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Neil Gray) SNP
In January, at the National Robotarium in Edinburgh, the First Minister set out our priorities for national health service recovery and renewal, which are to...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I agree with the cabinet secretary that we have a fantastic tech and innovation sector in Scotland, but we have always had that. The problem has been about t...
Neil Gray SNP
Brian Whittle has neatly pre-empted the paragraphs in my speech about how I want us to foster innovation to de-risk some of the investment decisions that are...
Sandesh Gulhane (Glasgow) (Con) Con
I am glad to hear about the work that is being done on diabetes and weight management in particular. What is the cabinet secretary’s position on the use of O...
Neil Gray SNP
We are still exploring such matters. As innovations come forward and improvements are made in weight management treatment, we must explore them, but we must ...
Sandesh Gulhane (Glasgow) (Con) Con
I remind members of my entry in the register of members’ interests: I am a practising NHS GP, which means that, every week, I see at first hand the consequen...
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Sandesh Gulhane mentioned James Blackwood and AI. I understand that he came here to give a presentation at a briefing organised by the Scottish Parliament in...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Please always speak through the chair.
Sandesh Gulhane Con
Wow. The member says that some progress is being made when, as I said, we were one of the first countries to use AI, back in 2011, but we do not have any str...
Douglas Lumsden (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Sandesh Gulhane mentioned the app down in England. We do not have anything comparable up here. Is there any reason why we could not copy that app or even use...
Sandesh Gulhane Con
In my opinion, we need to be collaborating with the rest of the UK. Why on earth would we not do that, taking the best that it has and using it ourselves? We...
Neil Gray SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Sandesh Gulhane Con
Do I have time, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
There is plenty of time in hand.
Sandesh Gulhane Con
I will take the intervention.
Neil Gray SNP
I recognise the point that Sandesh Gulhane makes. When those who are innovating come forward with new ideas, medical devices or technologies, there is a need...
Sandesh Gulhane Con
I would welcome any programme that pushes good innovations and good pieces of technology that could be used by all of NHS Scotland. The cabinet secretary me...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to open for the Labour Party in this debate. In an age of technological marvels—from artificial intelligence to identifying cancers earlier and ...
Sandesh Gulhane Con
On the point about how we are achieving that, does Paul Sweeney back Keir Starmer’s idea about scrapping NHS England, and does he think that we should do the...
Paul Sweeney Lab
As the member knows, the healthcare system in England—which has been a separate entity from the one in Scotland since its foundation, in 1948—is broadly mode...
Brian Whittle Con
I agree with Paul Sweeney on that point. To follow on from the point that I made to the cabinet secretary, we had the DHI, which was supposed to be there to ...
Paul Sweeney Lab
There is an instinctive risk aversion about rapid prototyping and adoption, which the member rightly highlights. There could be greater achievements in that ...
Neil Gray SNP
To bridge the gap between what Brian Whittle mentioned in his intervention and what Paul Sweeney said in his response, I point to the Techscaler network, the...
Paul Sweeney Lab
It is perfectly fair that the health secretary highlighted those examples. The question is how quickly we can disseminate, integrate and rapidly roll those t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Alex Cole-Hamilton to open on behalf of the Scottish Liberal Democrats. You have a generous four minutes, Mr Cole-Hamilton. 15:53
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
Forgive me, Presiding Officer. I missed the time that you said I had.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I said a generous four minutes. We have quite a bit of time in hand.
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
A generous four minutes. That is very kind of you. Thank you. I am pleased to speak on behalf of the Scottish Liberal Democrats in this important debate. I ...
Paul Sweeney Lab
Mr Cole-Hamilton makes an interesting point about NHS staff. My experience of interactions with NHS clinicians is that they have plenty of ideas for continuo...