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Meeting of the Parliament 13 March 2025

13 Mar 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Health and Social Care Innovation
Gray, Neil SNP Airdrie and Shotts Watch on SPTV

In January, at the National Robotarium in Edinburgh, the First Minister set out our priorities for national health service recovery and renewal, which are to reduce the immediate pressures across the NHS; to shift the balance of care from hospital to the community; to take a long-term focus on prevention to tackle the root causes of ill health and disease; and—the subject of this debate—to use innovation, both digital and technological, to improve access to care.

We all know the tremendous pressures on our health and social care services in recent years. Those services face Covid-related backlogs and delayed discharges, and they are working hard to meet the increasing needs and demands of an ageing population.

The NHS requires reform to ensure that we can address changing needs and have a sustainable health service now and into the future. Later this month, the Scottish Government will publish an operational improvement plan, which will detail how we will deliver immediate improvement. That will be followed later in the spring by our population health framework, which will set out a long-term approach to primary prevention. Our medium-term approach to health and social care reform will then be published before the summer recess. Those three key documents will build on the health and social care vision that I set out to the Parliament last June and will demonstrate how we will plan services for our whole population over the short, medium and longer terms.

Adopting innovation will be central to delivery, and that is what this debate will focus on. We know that a scientific revolution is under way that has the power to transform healthcare. It offers genuine cause for optimism about the future. We are seeing rapid advances in the use of precision medicine, robotics and diagnostics and in the application of artificial intelligence to diagnose and treat disease, as well as to keep people healthier for longer.

Scotland’s life sciences and technology businesses, our universities and the NHS are driving that scientific revolution. A few weeks ago, Miles Briggs hosted Cancer Research UK at an event in the Parliament’s garden lobby. I had the privilege of speaking to a range of incredible cancer innovators who are partnered with phenomenal universities across Scotland. This is the embodiment of the triple helix that we want to thrive for the benefit of our people—industry, academia and the NHS working together. That night, Dr Iain Foulkes, the executive director of research and innovation at Cancer Research UK, described the potential for rivalling the golden triangle with our own platinum triangle in Scotland, such is the level of world-leading research, innovation and human talent that we have.

I saw that for myself on a recent visit to the Edinburgh BioQuarter. With funding from the Multiple Sclerosis Society, it is using robots to screen thousands of possible drug treatments to help researchers to prioritise those with the best chance of success in clinical trials. Such partnerships can also support economic growth through increased investment, business spin-outs and the creation of high-value jobs. When he closes the debate, Richard Lochhead will touch on our cutting-edge companies and the economic benefits in that space.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-16777, in the name of Neil Gray, on the adoption of innovation in health and social care. 15:22
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Neil Gray) SNP
In January, at the National Robotarium in Edinburgh, the First Minister set out our priorities for national health service recovery and renewal, which are to...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I agree with the cabinet secretary that we have a fantastic tech and innovation sector in Scotland, but we have always had that. The problem has been about t...
Neil Gray SNP
Brian Whittle has neatly pre-empted the paragraphs in my speech about how I want us to foster innovation to de-risk some of the investment decisions that are...
Sandesh Gulhane (Glasgow) (Con) Con
I am glad to hear about the work that is being done on diabetes and weight management in particular. What is the cabinet secretary’s position on the use of O...
Neil Gray SNP
We are still exploring such matters. As innovations come forward and improvements are made in weight management treatment, we must explore them, but we must ...
Sandesh Gulhane (Glasgow) (Con) Con
I remind members of my entry in the register of members’ interests: I am a practising NHS GP, which means that, every week, I see at first hand the consequen...
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Sandesh Gulhane mentioned James Blackwood and AI. I understand that he came here to give a presentation at a briefing organised by the Scottish Parliament in...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Please always speak through the chair.
Sandesh Gulhane Con
Wow. The member says that some progress is being made when, as I said, we were one of the first countries to use AI, back in 2011, but we do not have any str...
Douglas Lumsden (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Sandesh Gulhane mentioned the app down in England. We do not have anything comparable up here. Is there any reason why we could not copy that app or even use...
Sandesh Gulhane Con
In my opinion, we need to be collaborating with the rest of the UK. Why on earth would we not do that, taking the best that it has and using it ourselves? We...
Neil Gray SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Sandesh Gulhane Con
Do I have time, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
There is plenty of time in hand.
Sandesh Gulhane Con
I will take the intervention.
Neil Gray SNP
I recognise the point that Sandesh Gulhane makes. When those who are innovating come forward with new ideas, medical devices or technologies, there is a need...
Sandesh Gulhane Con
I would welcome any programme that pushes good innovations and good pieces of technology that could be used by all of NHS Scotland. The cabinet secretary me...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to open for the Labour Party in this debate. In an age of technological marvels—from artificial intelligence to identifying cancers earlier and ...
Sandesh Gulhane Con
On the point about how we are achieving that, does Paul Sweeney back Keir Starmer’s idea about scrapping NHS England, and does he think that we should do the...
Paul Sweeney Lab
As the member knows, the healthcare system in England—which has been a separate entity from the one in Scotland since its foundation, in 1948—is broadly mode...
Brian Whittle Con
I agree with Paul Sweeney on that point. To follow on from the point that I made to the cabinet secretary, we had the DHI, which was supposed to be there to ...
Paul Sweeney Lab
There is an instinctive risk aversion about rapid prototyping and adoption, which the member rightly highlights. There could be greater achievements in that ...
Neil Gray SNP
To bridge the gap between what Brian Whittle mentioned in his intervention and what Paul Sweeney said in his response, I point to the Techscaler network, the...
Paul Sweeney Lab
It is perfectly fair that the health secretary highlighted those examples. The question is how quickly we can disseminate, integrate and rapidly roll those t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Alex Cole-Hamilton to open on behalf of the Scottish Liberal Democrats. You have a generous four minutes, Mr Cole-Hamilton. 15:53
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
Forgive me, Presiding Officer. I missed the time that you said I had.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I said a generous four minutes. We have quite a bit of time in hand.
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
A generous four minutes. That is very kind of you. Thank you. I am pleased to speak on behalf of the Scottish Liberal Democrats in this important debate. I ...
Paul Sweeney Lab
Mr Cole-Hamilton makes an interesting point about NHS staff. My experience of interactions with NHS clinicians is that they have plenty of ideas for continuo...