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Meeting of the Parliament 26 February 2025

26 Feb 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Rail Fares
Ruskell, Mark Green Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV

No—it is not an either/or. The cabinet secretary would do well to reflect on the fact that many people use multiple modes of transport and that integration is therefore critical. It is disappointing that the Government always seems to see rail travel as being second to bus travel, when we need to invest in both. They do very different things.

For many people, the choices are stark. They either get the train and save time, but spend more money, get the bus and spend less money but waste time, or drive, if they are able to, and spend less money but waste more time sitting in traffic jams. Those are the real-world choices that are faced every morning by households, and none of those options properly serves the people or the economy. Public transport should be seamless and accessible, and it should be an affordable choice. I am concerned that rail is increasingly being seen as a premium form of travel for the few, rather than mass transit for the many.

It seems odd that, having successfully opened a new rail route to Levenmouth with the objective of tackling economic disadvantage, the Government is now allowing fare increases that will price many people out of the restored train services that communities fought for.

During our time in Government, the Scottish Greens worked to secure the removal of peak fares through the pilot scheme, which resulted in a shift in ticket prices for peak-time commuters and an average saving across all tickets of 17 per cent. Over the scheme’s duration, passenger numbers increased by nearly 7 per cent, and 4 million extra journeys were switched away from private cars. Awareness of rail as a viable travel option also increased, with 80 per cent of people who participated in the scheme stating that they were now making more trips by rail.

The Scottish Government has scrapped the pilot scheme, having cited a limited increase in passenger numbers and lack of modal shift towards rail travel. However, we all know that modal shifts take longer than a year-long pilot, and that multiple interventions are needed to support it. Few people would be tempted to change their job or sell a car based on a short-term pilot to reduce rail fares, so long-term certainty is important.

The cabinet secretary’s amendment indicates that the Transport for London off-peak trial’s results mirror those of the Scottish scheme, and cites them as proof that our scheme somehow did not work. However, TFL’s pilot ran only on Fridays for 13 weeks: it could hardly be called a trial at all.

The spiralling rail travel costs issue is not going away, and it goes way beyond what can be agreed in budget negotiations in a single parliamentary year. We need a real vision for Scotland’s railways from the Government, but above-inflation increases to complex rail fares that discriminate against workers should have no place in that vision.

I move,

That the Parliament believes that rail fares in Scotland must be cheaper; regrets the decision by the Scottish Government to end the off-peak all-day pilot in September 2024, despite an increase of passenger demand by 6.8% and an average 17% cost saving to passengers; understands that expensive and complex ticketing deters passengers from choosing to travel by train; acknowledges that, in order to fulfil the Scottish Government’s ambition of reducing car kilometres by 20% by 2030, rail services and public transport must be cheaper and more accessible, and calls, therefore, on the Scottish Government to reverse the 3.8% increase to rail fares coming into effect from 1 April 2025, to permanently remove peak-time rail fares, and to simplify public transport fares, through the introduction of integrated ticketing, as soon as possible.

16:06  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-16572, in the name of Mark Ruskell, on cheaper rail fares. I invite members who wish to speak in the deba...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
I acknowledge up front that bringing ScotRail into public ownership has been a welcome move by the Scottish Government that has put the public interest at th...
The Cabinet Secretary for Transport (Fiona Hyslop) SNP
I reassure Mark Ruskell that integrated ticketing is happening, but does he recognise that 75 per cent of public sector journeys are on buses? Is it the posi...
Mark Ruskell Green
No—it is not an either/or. The cabinet secretary would do well to reflect on the fact that many people use multiple modes of transport and that integration i...
The Cabinet Secretary for Transport (Fiona Hyslop) SNP
The Government agrees that we must make public transport accessible, affordable and reliable in order to encourage more people to travel by bus and train. T...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
I encourage the cabinet secretary to check the record in reference to what we proposed during budget negotiations. She knows that the Scottish Greens have ma...
Fiona Hyslop SNP
I am sorry, but I asked my officials to check whether introducing a 3.8 per cent increase and rail fare freeze were part of budget discussions, and I was rea...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Fiona Hyslop SNP
I have limited time. The 2025-26 transport budget focuses on that, but it also focuses on funding actions that will help to cut carbon emissions. Decisions ...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Fiona Hyslop SNP
I have limited time. We are seeking to keep fares down for regular passengers and commuters through the 20 per cent discount on all ScotRail season tickets—...
Paul Sweeney Lab
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The cabinet secretary is about to conclude.
Fiona Hyslop SNP
I apologise to Mr Sweeney. Those price and fare innovations are designed to encourage people to switch from car to train and to simplify journey planning. T...
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
We know that an efficient transport network that delivers value for money for taxpayers is essential for economic and social development across Scotland. How...
Fiona Hyslop SNP
I think that Sue Webber would acknowledge that there has been a great deal of hybrid working, with people who have been working from home not using any form ...
Sue Webber Con
I am certain that, if we had fair and less expensive fares, passenger numbers would be even greater. Despite the reduced number of passenger journeys, ScotR...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
Will the member take an intervention?
Sue Webber Con
No—sorry. We are short of time. Unsurprisingly, only one fifth of passengers think that ScotRail delivers good value for money. Polling found that 46.4 per ...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
Scottish Labour agrees that rail fares in Scotland must be more affordable and that rail travel must be an attractive alternative to car use. We are committe...
Beatrice Wishart (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
I welcome the opportunity to reply on behalf of the Scottish Liberal Democrats. We believe that rail needs to be affordable, that ticketing is too complex an...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate, with back-bench speeches of up to four minutes. 16:24
Ariane Burgess (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
For a moment, Presiding Officer, imagine yourself in the shoes of my constituent. You need to get to work. It is rush hour. You check the train price—it is w...
Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
I will start with a bit of consensus. I think that everyone agrees that we want rail travel to be affordable. We want to encourage more people to use public ...
Claire Baker Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Clare Adamson SNP
I am sorry—I have only a short time left. The pilot showed minimal impacts overall on car travel. Only 0.1 per cent of car journeys moved to rail during th...
Maurice Golden (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I will use my speech today to talk about the role of public transport in general, but first let me address the motion that is before us and the specific issu...
Fiona Hyslop SNP
The member has raised an important point about integrated ticketing. The advice that we received from our smart ticketing advisory board is that the increasi...
Maurice Golden Con
I accept that, and I take the point on board, but some people will still require a card. Our train stations should be accessible and appealing to visit. Th...
Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I remind members of my voluntary registration of trade union interests. Last month, the Accounts Commission teamed up with the Auditor General to publish a ...