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Meeting of the Parliament 20 February 2025

20 Feb 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Great British Energy Bill

It is very Edward Mountain to consider a legislative consent motion that is based on an amendment in the House of Lords on the Great British Energy Bill to be a “white-knuckle ride”. That is the kind of rock-and-roll life that he lives.

However, Edward Mountain made a valid point about the legislative process. The Parliament gets a lot of things wrong, but the one thing that it does pretty well is the legislative process. It takes a long time for consultation, pre-stage 1 reports, stage 2 amendments and then, in the chamber, stage 3. It takes as long as it takes. I have experienced the Westminster system and, to be fair, that is a white-knuckle ride. It is rushed and there is not enough time to consider all the consequences. That is what we are feeling today, to be fair to the minister. I hope that, in the long run, we will see changes to the legislative processes in the House of Lords and the House of Commons.

One of the amendments that was passed in the House of Lords that does not affect the LCM was won by one of our members, who secured an amendment on community energy, which is incredibly important. It will mean that GB Energy is required to collaborate with local communities on boosting local economies, jobs and investment for community energy projects, which is a good thing.

We will support the LCM today because GB Energy could be broadly a good thing. It is led by Jürgen Maier, who is a dynamic force. He was previously chief executive officer at Siemens and he knows the territory. He will make a difference and we should support things that make a difference.

I want to return to the points that I made in the debate two weeks ago about the use of community benefit funds and licensing revenues. We need to consider several questions. First, how much do we require from the companies? My colleague Angus MacDonald wants to increase the £5,000 per megawatt installed capacity to a higher level and he has a case for that. We need to make sure that it is not so much that it discourages development, but that there is capacity to increase it.

There is also a question about who we do it with. Will it be done through community equity and community ownership, or should the funds be given to local authorities or other vehicles for delivery? After Tom Arthur’s statement earlier this week, we should take the opportunity to explore community wellbeing in more detail.

The area that requires a much more substantial change is what we use community benefit funds for. Many communities have benefited significantly from community facilities such as astroturf pitches, village halls and the like, which are good things and they require to be invested in. However, only so many astroturf pitches can be built in communities. There is a crying need for improvement in infrastructure and in roads and housing in certain communities—particularly in the Highlands and Islands, where we will be installing not just wind turbines but pump storage facilities that will put quite a lot of pressure on the local road network and increase demand for housing. We should be looking to use some of those revenues and funds for investment in local communities to make sure that the funds have a lasting legacy that outlasts the projects themselves, so that people can see longer-term benefits for their areas.

We will support the LCM today, but I hope that the minister will take on board the arguments about wider benefits and community benefit.

16:59  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-16526, in the name of Alasdair Allan, on a legislative consent motion for the Great British Energy Bill, ...
The Acting Minister for Climate Action (Alasdair Allan) SNP
I thank the Parliament for giving us further opportunity to debate the Great British Energy Bill and the supplementary legislative consent memorandum that wa...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
Will the member give way?
Alasdair Allan SNP
Yes, I will.
Daniel Johnson Lab
On that technical point, why is the Government not waiting until the final reading to wrap up the LCMs into a single decision for the Parliament?
Alasdair Allan SNP
This is a matter for the UK Government. The bill is proceeding at great pace and my understanding is that royal assent will be granted very soon—within the n...
Douglas Lumsden (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Alasdair Allan SNP
I have to make progress in the little time that I have available. It is important to note that the Scottish Government was given very little notice of the t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call Edward Mountain to speak on behalf of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee. 16:43
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Here we go, yet again, debating a legislative consent motion on the GB Energy Bill. The first legislative consent motion was lodged in August last year. It d...
Alasdair Allan SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Edward Mountain Con
No, not at the moment. We did our best under the circumstances, and the report added usefully to the debate, but the committee should have been spared that ...
Douglas Lumsden (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
It is a pleasure to speak to the motion, which is on my favourite topic—the myth that is GB Energy. GB Energy will do nothing for my constituents. It is a f...
Daniel Johnson Lab
The word “fraud” has a very precise meaning. Perhaps Douglas Lumsden could explain his use of it. In case he is not aware of the way in which legislation wo...
Douglas Lumsden Con
It is fraudulent when we are promised 1,000 jobs but the chair of GB Energy then says, “Well, those jobs will perhaps come in 20 years’ time.” That is what I...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Members will remember that, in the debate two weeks ago in which when we agreed to the LCM on the Great British Energy Bill, it was flagged up that there wou...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Does Sarah Boyack think that this Parliament has had sufficient time to consider the LCM?
Sarah Boyack Lab
The irony is that we are debating a very straightforward amendment, because we have debated sustainable development on numerous occasions in the Parliament. ...
Douglas Lumsden Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Sarah Boyack Lab
I certainly will not. I am winding up. Our UK Labour Government has taken more climate action in six months than the Tories did in 14 years in government. T...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
It is very Edward Mountain to consider a legislative consent motion that is based on an amendment in the House of Lords on the Great British Energy Bill to b...
Jackie Dunbar (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP) SNP
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Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
It is somewhat ironic to hold a debate on energy at this point on a Thursday afternoon, so let me try that witticism to begin with. In some ways, Jackie Du...
Douglas Lumsden Con
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Daniel Johnson Lab
What does Douglas Lumsden think GB Energy is about?
Douglas Lumsden Con
We do not know. Where is the plan?
Daniel Johnson Lab
It is central to the plan. If Douglas Lumsden wants a plan, he should back GB Energy. For goodness’ sake, we cannot, on the one hand, say that we need a plan...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
I agree that we need to reap those benefits. We also need to keep the workforce. I recognise what Mr Johnson said about the legislation not being passed, bu...
Daniel Johnson Lab
I do not need to talk to them in London. I talk to them here, because they are up here regularly. I was talking to Michael Shanks just this morning, and I wi...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Like Edward Mountain, I take the Parliament’s work very seriously. I like things to be done properly, whatever the outcome. The consideration of the LCM that...