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Meeting of the Parliament 19 February 2025

19 Feb 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Powers of the Scottish Parliament
Hamilton, Rachael Con Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire Watch on SPTV

Labour is in a complete pickle. It does not stand for change and it does not stand for hope.

Scotland has one of the most powerful devolved Parliaments in the world. The problem is not a lack of powers but the Scottish Government’s failure to use those powers effectively. As I said, the Scottish Government already has control of health, education, transport, justice and the economy, yet in every one of those areas outcomes are getting worse and worse on its watch. The Government needs to look no further than itself when it comes to the erosion of Scottish parliamentary powers. Time after time, it has absconded from its duty and refused to allow proper scrutiny in the chamber. In some circumstances, it is a case of policy by press release, without any opportunity for any of us to scrutinise its announcements.

Increasingly, the Scottish Government uses framework bills, as well as Henry VIII powers, which has allowed it to circumvent the robust and proper scrutiny that should be fundamental to Parliament’s role. Instead of presenting developed policies, it introduces skeleton framework bills, leaving the crucial detail to be attached later through secondary legislation. That means far less scrutiny and transparency. That was evident during the passage of the Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill, which was passed in June. Farmers are still to receive any further detail on the support within that framework. That is not the behaviour of a Government that values democracy.

The Scottish Government’s contempt for parliamentary scrutiny has never been more apparent than it was yesterday, when it whipped SNP members to refuse Parliament the opportunity to rightly scrutinise the provision of single-sex spaces. It is not protecting devolution; it is dismantling accountability.

One example of where parliamentary scrutiny must be upheld relates to the internal market act. I completely disagree with Kate Forbes—the legislation is crucial to protecting Scottish businesses and jobs. She quotes NFU Scotland, but it is 100 per cent behind protecting the integrity of the United Kingdom. Sixty per cent of our trade is with the rest of the UK, which is more than our trade with Europe.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-16511, in the name of Kate Forbes, on protecting the powers of the Scottish Parliament. I invite those me...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Economy and Gaelic (Kate Forbes) SNP
On 4 July last year, a new Labour United Kingdom Government was elected on a manifesto commitment to “reset” relations with the devolved Governments. Few cou...
Douglas Ross (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Kate Forbes is speaking about bills that were nullified by the UK Parliament. One of those was the Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill. John Swinney, w...
Kate Forbes SNP
I stand with NFU Scotland, Alcohol Focus Scotland, Scottish Environment LINK, and the Scottish Crofting Federation, which have all stated that the fundamenta...
Douglas Ross Con
Will the Deputy First Minister take an intervention?
Kate Forbes SNP
I think that I have answered Douglas Ross’s point. As matters stand, we still face the prospect of laws that were passed in this Parliament—irrespective of ...
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
Here we go again, debating the so-called protection of the Scottish Parliament’s powers. This is the second time this session that the Scottish National Part...
Rachael Hamilton Con
If Kate Forbes can tell me why we are not discussing health, education and all the issues of crime on which the Government is failing Scotland’s population, ...
Kate Forbes SNP
I hope that Rachael Hamilton understands that the act has an impact on all the issues that she has just identified. However, my question is more fundamental....
Rachael Hamilton Con
Labour is in a complete pickle. It does not stand for change and it does not stand for hope. Scotland has one of the most powerful devolved Parliaments in...
Kate Forbes SNP
It is very kind of the member to accept my second intervention. Before the IMA was passed, the Scottish Crofting Federation said that it feared that “the pr...
Rachael Hamilton Con
It is this Government that is undermining democracy. It is this Government that is trying to put up a barrier to trade with the rest of the UK. It is importa...
Emma Roddick (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The member is in her final minute.
Rachael Hamilton Con
The handling of this issue perfectly sums up the SNP’s approach to government. The Parliament has been given extensive powers but, instead of using them effe...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Please move your amendment, Ms Hamilton.
Rachael Hamilton Con
I move amendment S6M-16511.2, to leave out from “, which sets” to end and insert: “; recognises the fundamental importance of the UK internal market to Scot...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Neil Bibby to speak to and move amendment S6M-16511.1. You have up to six minutes. 15:45
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the opportunity to speak in this debate on protecting the powers of the Scottish Parliament. Given that this is the second debate in two consecutiv...
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
It is interesting that Neil Bibby has taken that line in his speech. To be fair to the Deputy First Minister, she was quoting Neil Bibby. When we last debate...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We have got the gist, Mr Kerr.
Neil Bibby Lab
I will come on to that point shortly. In terms of resetting the relationship, it takes two to tango. If the Scottish Government is genuinely committed to pa...
Kate Forbes SNP
Will the member take an intervention on that point?
Neil Bibby Lab
Yes.
Kate Forbes SNP
Does the member not think that explicitly excluding one of the options—the very option that majorities in both the Welsh Senedd and the Scottish Parliament h...
Neil Bibby Lab
I will come on to why the internal market act is being reviewed and why it is being retained. The Deputy First Minister is prejudging the responses to the re...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Neil Gray) SNP
Will the member give way?
Neil Bibby Lab
I am sorry, but I want to make progress. The Government’s motion not only prejudges the consultation; perhaps ironically, it prejudges the work of the Const...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Mr Bibby, I appreciate that you were generous in taking interventions, but you will need to bring your remarks to a close now.
Neil Bibby Lab
That is exactly what the new UK Labour Government is aiming to do. It is already committed to finalising the common frameworks programme and to undertaking—