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Meeting of the Parliament 05 February 2025

05 Feb 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Addressing Child Poverty through Education

Presiding Officer,

“Growing up in one of Scotland’s most deprived communities is likely to put a person at the bottom of the class and, in too many instances, into an early grave.”—[Official Report, 2 June 2016; c 47.]

That is what I said to the Parliament in my very first speech back in 2016. Tragically, child poverty and inequality remain a scandal of epic proportions in our country. In Scotland today, one in three families with a baby under the age of one are living in poverty. The cabinet secretary rightly talked about our shared aspiration to eradicate child poverty, but that is more than an aspiration; it is our legal and moral obligation to babies, children and young people in every corner of Scotland.

Ahead of the debate, the Child Poverty Action Group in Scotland highlighted the crucial role that schools play in addressing child poverty. Although they cannot single-handedly solve child poverty and should never be expected to do so, our schools mitigate some of its worst impacts by helping to reduce household costs, maximising income and supporting children from lower-income households to learn, thrive and reach their potential. I therefore say a huge thank you to the teachers and education workforce of Scotland for the amazing work that they do.

We know that increasing family incomes is key to reducing child poverty. I am pleased that it is a priority for the UK Labour Government, but there is more that we need to do in this Parliament and elsewhere. Save the Children, which has been mentioned by other speakers, has highlighted that the poverty-related attainment gap in education is already well established long before a child starts school. It is therefore important that the Scottish Government does all that it can to expand publicly funded early learning and childcare from the end of paid maternity leave, and that we do not get complacent about the Scottish child payment and its uptake. We need to simplify it so that as many families as possible who are entitled to it get it, particularly because of its link to accessing free school meals.

In the casework that is keeping me busy at the moment, I am seeing far too many children and young people who are not getting the support that they need. As Martin Whitfield said, it is not always because of poverty, but there is an intersection with poverty. Families are struggling with poverty and low incomes, and children are waiting for the correct pathways around autism, ADHD and access to speech and language therapy. What I see in my inbox and advice surgeries is childhoods evaporating as people wait for support that comes far too late. We have to do better.

In South Lanarkshire, which is part of my Central Scotland region, more than one in five children are living in relative poverty. I have been asked to ask the cabinet secretary what additional provision will be put in place for young people in S5 and S6, as EMA has not changed for more than 20 years, remaining at £30 a week, with low eligibility criteria. As I said in the chamber yesterday in an intervention on Ross Greer, I welcome the commitment to expand access to free school meals. However, we are already a long way behind and we have to speed that up. As the cabinet secretary knows, we have discussed the importance of young people’s voices being at the heart of that.

We have learned a harsh lesson in this Parliament about setting targets and not living up to people’s expectations. We missed our climate targets because of delay and inaction, and we must not do that when it comes to the targets for reducing child poverty. We have the evidence and, I think, the political consensus. We just have to get on and do it.

16:12  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-16330, in the name of Jenny Gilruth, on addressing child poverty through education. 15:18
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (Jenny Gilruth) SNP
The number 1 priority for the Government is the eradication of child poverty. It is an aspiration that I would hope that every MSP shares, and it is why the ...
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
We have reached a 20-year high for the number of children who are in temporary accommodation. What will the cabinet secretary say to those children about the...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
The member raises an important point about temporary accommodation. I know that the matter is being taken forward by the Minister for Housing and the Cabinet...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am grateful to the cabinet secretary for taking an intervention. Does she know when the Scottish Government will be in a position to publish the analysis o...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I outlined that we will be sharing the learning in spring, so we would seek to publish the data at that time. I invite the member, and members across the cha...
Monica Lennon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Is the cabinet secretary able to say whether such work will include looking at the school uniform grant rising in line with inflation?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
My understanding is that we have already looked at increasing the school clothing grant in line with inflation. I am happy to write to Monica Lennon to confi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Miles Briggs to speak to and move amendment S6M-16330.4. 15:30
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
I welcome this debate, which is being held in Government time, and I will take the opportunity to do something that is unusual when debating education—I can ...
Martin Whitfield Lab
I am grateful to Miles Briggs for taking my intervention. I do not disagree in any way, shape or form with his very eloquent description of the challenges th...
Miles Briggs Con
I absolutely agree. The issue transcends the debate and affects the whole pupil population. That is why, for some time and especially following the pandemic,...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Pam Duncan-Glancy to speak to and move amendment S6M-16330.3. 15:37
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to open the debate on behalf of Scottish Labour. As I have said in the Parliament before, education is a great leveller and can determine a pers...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
I am grateful to the Government for bringing this debate to the chamber. It would be wrong to suggest that we can end child poverty through education. We can...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
The member makes a really good case for the roles that education can and cannot provide. Does he welcome the fact that 200,000 Scots will get a pay rise as a...
Ross Greer Green
I absolutely do welcome the rise in the minimum wage. I would welcome it far more if the UK Government would commit to keeping the national minimum wage at l...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
I will start where Ross Greer finished off. He talked about the roles of schools and the social worker role that they have in addition to the role of educati...
Martin Whitfield Lab
Is it not the case that, at the moment, schools seem to be dealing with the very bottom layers of the hierarchy of needs—housing, food and safety—rather than...
Willie Rennie LD
Yes, I agree. That is not to say that the social role that the schools provide is not important, because it is incredibly important and schools do it well. T...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We now move to the open debate. I advise members that we have a bit of time in hand, should members wish to take interventions. I call Clare Haughey, who wil...
Clare Haughey (Rutherglen) (SNP) SNP
The First Minister declared that tackling child poverty is the national mission of this Scottish parliamentary session. Our education system, as a universal ...
Martin Whitfield Lab
The advice that we received from Save the Children, which Clare Haughey referenced, talks about the importance of a child’s first two years, but what support...
Clare Haughey SNP
I am not sure whether Martin Whitfield is aware of my background, but I spent about 15 years working in perinatal mental health before I came to the Parliame...
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
I agree with the cabinet secretary and Mr Rennie that education is a vital tool in tackling poverty. Giving our young people the best education possible give...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I remind Mr Balfour that the OECD described the 2022 version of the PISA statistics as the “pandemic edition” when it was published. Does he recognise that t...
Jeremy Balfour Con
I accept it, but does the cabinet secretary accept that the OECD also tells us that the issues were there before Covid? Those underlying issues were there be...
Bill Kidd (Glasgow Anniesland) (SNP) SNP
The motion notes the report from the Joseph Rowntree Foundation, which predicts that child poverty rates in Scotland will decline by 2029 while rates in the ...
Monica Lennon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Presiding Officer, “Growing up in one of Scotland’s most deprived communities is likely to put a person at the bottom of the class and, in too many instance...
Collette Stevenson (East Kilbride) (SNP) SNP
We know that children and young people do not exist in isolation. They are directly and indirectly affected by their parents or carers and by economic stabil...