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Meeting of the Parliament 05 February 2025

05 Feb 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Addressing Child Poverty through Education

I absolutely agree. The issue transcends the debate and affects the whole pupil population. That is why, for some time and especially following the pandemic, teachers have been expressing the fact that there have been behavioural changes. Bad behaviour from all pupils is brought into the classroom and there has been a lack of action to address that. Teachers at Kirkintilloch high school claim that pupils face “no consequences” for abusive or violent behaviour. Staff say that they have repeatedly raised concerns with management but have been “gaslit”, including by being told that their lessons were not exciting enough. From today, those teachers will refuse to cover classes and will not go on trips or support activities, although the action will stop short of a strike.

Teachers and unions are losing confidence in the ability of ministers to provide leadership on this critical issue. The cabinet secretary has mentioned several times her visits to schools, and I genuinely hope that she will make her next visit to Kirkintilloch high school to listen to those concerns and see how the Government’s relationships and behaviour in schools action plan will actually be delivered across all local authorities. We need that national leadership to make sure that the issue is addressed urgently.

Many organisations that work with care-experienced young people and young carers have identified specific problems that they face in maintaining their learning, from acknowledging specific personal situations to identifying the holistic support that they require. That is why our amendment looks towards what we would like to happen.

I believe that there is a growing consensus across the Parliament that young people who live in deprived areas are more likely to play a caring and support role for a loved one. Children who live in families that have at least one disabled member are more likely to be in poverty than children in families with no disabled member, and research tells us that young carers are more common in families that have an unemployed adult or are on a low income. That is why, as we call for in our amendment, we want ministers to undertake a review of policies to improve the identification of and support for care experienced and young carer pupils in schools, ensuring that they receive the necessary assistance to succeed in education.

Since I was elected, I have attended the young carers festival on many occasions, and heard at first hand what young carers would like. There is a blueprint, I think, to transform the options that are available to young carers that very much aligns with the work that is being undertaken through the Promise, as we have discussed with the responsible minister. I hope that the debate will see progress on that.

The debate is welcome, but ministers have sidestepped the most pressing issue that teachers and pupils currently raise, which is violence and discipline. There must be real action, which is why my amendment expresses concern over the rising level of violence in schools, which negatively impacts both attainment and wellbeing and calls on the Scottish Government to provide greater support for teachers and local authorities to tackle the issue.

I move amendment S6M-16330.4, to leave out from “welcomes” to end and insert:

“acknowledges that more than a quarter of children in Scotland live in poverty; recognises that, while investment in tackling child poverty through education is important, it must be accompanied by a focus on improving educational standards; notes that, while the Scottish Government has spent £1 billion on early years and childcare, there remains a significant disparity in the availability of early years provision across Scotland, which risks deepening inequalities and limiting parental employment opportunities, and has long-term consequences for children’s development and educational outcomes; further notes with concern that education in Scotland has gone backwards in Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) international rankings; acknowledges that the attainment gap in primary pupils’ reading, writing, literacy and numeracy remains similar to pre-COVID-19-pandemic levels and has failed to close; regrets that the pledge to provide universal free school meals for primary pupils has not been fulfilled; expresses concern over the rising level of violence in schools, which negatively impacts both attainment and wellbeing; calls on the Scottish Government to provide greater support for teachers and local authorities to tackle this issue; further calls for a review of policies to improve the identification of and support for care experienced and young carer pupils in schools, ensuring that they receive the necessary assistance to succeed in education, and believes that the Scottish Government’s main priority should be ensuring that every child, no matter their background, has the best start in life.”

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In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-16330, in the name of Jenny Gilruth, on addressing child poverty through education. 15:18
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (Jenny Gilruth) SNP
The number 1 priority for the Government is the eradication of child poverty. It is an aspiration that I would hope that every MSP shares, and it is why the ...
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
We have reached a 20-year high for the number of children who are in temporary accommodation. What will the cabinet secretary say to those children about the...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
The member raises an important point about temporary accommodation. I know that the matter is being taken forward by the Minister for Housing and the Cabinet...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am grateful to the cabinet secretary for taking an intervention. Does she know when the Scottish Government will be in a position to publish the analysis o...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I outlined that we will be sharing the learning in spring, so we would seek to publish the data at that time. I invite the member, and members across the cha...
Monica Lennon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Is the cabinet secretary able to say whether such work will include looking at the school uniform grant rising in line with inflation?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
My understanding is that we have already looked at increasing the school clothing grant in line with inflation. I am happy to write to Monica Lennon to confi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Miles Briggs to speak to and move amendment S6M-16330.4. 15:30
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
I welcome this debate, which is being held in Government time, and I will take the opportunity to do something that is unusual when debating education—I can ...
Martin Whitfield Lab
I am grateful to Miles Briggs for taking my intervention. I do not disagree in any way, shape or form with his very eloquent description of the challenges th...
Miles Briggs Con
I absolutely agree. The issue transcends the debate and affects the whole pupil population. That is why, for some time and especially following the pandemic,...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Pam Duncan-Glancy to speak to and move amendment S6M-16330.3. 15:37
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to open the debate on behalf of Scottish Labour. As I have said in the Parliament before, education is a great leveller and can determine a pers...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
I am grateful to the Government for bringing this debate to the chamber. It would be wrong to suggest that we can end child poverty through education. We can...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
The member makes a really good case for the roles that education can and cannot provide. Does he welcome the fact that 200,000 Scots will get a pay rise as a...
Ross Greer Green
I absolutely do welcome the rise in the minimum wage. I would welcome it far more if the UK Government would commit to keeping the national minimum wage at l...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
I will start where Ross Greer finished off. He talked about the roles of schools and the social worker role that they have in addition to the role of educati...
Martin Whitfield Lab
Is it not the case that, at the moment, schools seem to be dealing with the very bottom layers of the hierarchy of needs—housing, food and safety—rather than...
Willie Rennie LD
Yes, I agree. That is not to say that the social role that the schools provide is not important, because it is incredibly important and schools do it well. T...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We now move to the open debate. I advise members that we have a bit of time in hand, should members wish to take interventions. I call Clare Haughey, who wil...
Clare Haughey (Rutherglen) (SNP) SNP
The First Minister declared that tackling child poverty is the national mission of this Scottish parliamentary session. Our education system, as a universal ...
Martin Whitfield Lab
The advice that we received from Save the Children, which Clare Haughey referenced, talks about the importance of a child’s first two years, but what support...
Clare Haughey SNP
I am not sure whether Martin Whitfield is aware of my background, but I spent about 15 years working in perinatal mental health before I came to the Parliame...
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
I agree with the cabinet secretary and Mr Rennie that education is a vital tool in tackling poverty. Giving our young people the best education possible give...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I remind Mr Balfour that the OECD described the 2022 version of the PISA statistics as the “pandemic edition” when it was published. Does he recognise that t...
Jeremy Balfour Con
I accept it, but does the cabinet secretary accept that the OECD also tells us that the issues were there before Covid? Those underlying issues were there be...
Bill Kidd (Glasgow Anniesland) (SNP) SNP
The motion notes the report from the Joseph Rowntree Foundation, which predicts that child poverty rates in Scotland will decline by 2029 while rates in the ...
Monica Lennon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Presiding Officer, “Growing up in one of Scotland’s most deprived communities is likely to put a person at the bottom of the class and, in too many instance...
Collette Stevenson (East Kilbride) (SNP) SNP
We know that children and young people do not exist in isolation. They are directly and indirectly affected by their parents or carers and by economic stabil...