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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee 28 January 2025

28 Jan 2025 · S6 · Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Item of business
Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

I will come to that further along, but as I said when we debated the previous group, the SLCC will have to go to consultation with the Lord President, Scottish ministers and consumer panels on the process that will be set up.

One of the main points is that the provision will also give the SLCC flexibility in future. As we saw at last week’s meeting, a lot of amendments and groups were about strengthening the legal process, but as the committee has acknowledged in its recommendations, we must also ensure that the voice of the consumer is not lost, and we need to simplify the process for their access to justice. Therefore, there will be no lessening of the SLCC’s requirements in that respect. Furthermore, the SLCC has a duty to exercise its decision-making functions, in accordance with administrative law principles, including around the notification of decisions.

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In making or varying these rules, the SLCC will be required to consult the Lord President, the professional bodies, the consumer panel, other consumer groups and groups that represent the interests of the legal profession. The SLCC will also need to publish the rules. I note Mr O’Kane’s concerns that, in the future, the SLCC could decide not to publish the reasoning behind its decisions. That would have to go to consultation with the Lord President and all the legal professional bodies as well, and I consider that that provides sufficient checks to ensure that the committee’s concerns would be addressed.

Amendment 572 proposes to reintroduce prescriptive provision into the legislation, which risks the improvements in the bill that would deliver efficiencies. The SLCC is supportive of the Scottish Government’s approach. I therefore ask members not to support Mr O’Kane’s amendment 572.

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