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Meeting of the Parliament 29 January 2025

29 Jan 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Health and Social Care Workforce

I am grateful to the Labour Party and Jackie Baillie for making time in the chamber for this important debate. As I am sure is the case for all members in the chamber, hardly a day goes by when I do not receive an email, phone call or visit to the constituency office from someone who has been waiting for months, often in pain, for a routine operation or procedure, weeks for an important diagnosis or days just to speak to someone on the phone at their GP surgery.

That is part of our day job, but it is also part of our daily and personal life. Before Christmas, my father had a significant health event in October. He went for scans, but it was three weeks before those were properly looked at, because no consultants were available to process his readings. He is in mortal danger and is still waiting for a procedure that will make him well.

I have lost count of how many such debates we have had over the past few years, yet the frighteningly long waiting lists just are not getting shorter, and patient experience is not getting better. Our NHS is on its knees—it is in dire straits—and we simply cannot continue merely to talk about how bad things have become; we need meaningful action to make things better, both for the patients who rely on our health service and for our hard-working doctors, nurses and support staff, who are on the front lines and who, on a daily basis, are in increasingly difficult circumstances. None of this is their fault. In fact, they have to bear the brunt of it daily, and many are at breaking point. They are the first point of contact for frustration and for the patients who cannot be seen. That is laid bare by the large increase in absence due to mental ill health and staff burn-out.

At the heart of the debate are the on-going workforce issues, which have been well rehearsed already this afternoon, and in particular the SNP Government’s failure to properly plan ahead through workforce planning. Members do not need to take my word for it. In response to the First Minister’s speech on NHS recovery this week, the chair of BMA Scotland said:

“there is now an urgent need for a plan to deliver the kind of reforms that are required to make the Scottish NHS sustainable for generations to come.”

He went on:

“we still lack the detail and comprehensive vision needed to make any plan a reality.”

We still lack the vision. The Government has been in power for nearly two decades, and it has no vision as to how to make things right.

A BMA survey that ran just before Christmas was utterly damning. Of the respondents to that survey, 70 per cent said that they believed that the health service

“is operating on ... crisis mode all year round”

and not just in the winter months; 84 per cent did not think that

“the NHS is staffed adequately to cope with”

winter pressures; and 86 per cent

“had no ... confidence in the Scottish Government to put the NHS on a sustainable”

long-term

“footing.”

The personal impact of that is huge—it is demonstrable. I know one person in Glasgow who worked as a midwife for 30 years and quit last year because of the utter mental and physical exhaustion and a chronic lack of safety on the ward as a result of inadequate staffing. That is happening again and again.

Last month, an investigation revealed that mothers and babies at the Simpson maternity unit in Edinburgh came to harm in part due to short staffing. In total, 17 safety concerns were flagged, and the toll that the situation has taken on staff has been evident in the form of a 200 per cent increase in absence rates due to sickness.

Across the NHS, we are seeing the same vicious cycle at play. We know from a survey that Unison Scotland conducted that stress and burn-out are also primary causes of sickness absence among social care staff. Again and again, survey respondents are saying that stress has been exacerbated by staff shortages and having to work long hours—it is the same story.

We have to start undoing the damage that has been caused by the Government’s mismanagement of our health service for the entirety of its tenure. Liberal Democrats believe that we need to make a serious about-turn if we are finally to alleviate this crisis—the state of permacrisis that we are warned about every week—and take steps in the right direction. We need to retain existing staff by making working for our NHS less of an ordeal. We want Government to get to grips with recruitment—something that successive health secretaries have singularly failed at, both in our NHS and in the social care sector, which underpins the NHS in our communities.

We can no longer rely on agency staff to fill the gaps and to put out the fires. I am pleased that the Government is finally listening to the Lib Dems, who have been opposing the ill-fated national care service from day 1, and is no longer attempting its ministerial takeover of our social care sector. That will save hundreds of millions of pounds—there is no question about that—and that money is desperately needed to make care the profession of choice on the front line once again.

Everyone is entitled to fast access to their GP and to a wider range of skilled local healthcare staff, which should increase access to mental health support and physiotherapy. That is why my party has fought for, and won, extra funding for both social care and local healthcare in the coming budget.

Supporting primary care is one of the routes out of the crisis—there is no question about that. The Government must also finally listen to Liberal Democrat calls for a staff assembly that puts the lived experience and expertise of front-line staff at the forefront of designing a solution and a pathway forward.

I finish with this. Although I am glad that, this week, the First Minister finally admitted to the crisis that is engulfing our health service, I make it clear that the real change that our NHS needs and that its hard-working staff and patients who are waiting in pain need—indeed, the real change that Scotland needs—is a change of Government.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-16252, in the name of Jackie Baillie, on supporting Scotland’s health and social care workforce. I invite...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
Let me begin on a note of consensus. The staff of NHS Scotland and those who work in social care do an incredible job. They are the backbone of the national ...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
Will Jackie Baillie give way?
Jackie Baillie Lab
I will do so briefly.
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
Does Jackie Baillie recognise that the problem in Lothian is particularly bad among GP locums?
Jackie Baillie Lab
I do indeed. That is the situation that I was describing. Alex Cole-Hamilton and I are of one mind on this. The BMA says that there are more than 1,000 cons...
Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
Will Jackie Baillie give way?
Jackie Baillie Lab
I will not. I genuinely worry about what John Swinney will do next. Instead of taking any responsibility, the SNP hides behind the staff and repels every...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call Neil Gray to speak to and move amendment S6M-16252.1. 15:08
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Neil Gray) SNP
I welcome this debate, which is very timely in the light of the speech that was given by the First Minister on Monday on protecting and renewing our health a...
Clare Adamson SNP
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Neil Gray SNP
I will make some progress, first. More recently, the decision that has been made by Jackie Baillie’s colleagues in the UK Government to increase employer na...
Clare Adamson SNP
I should have waited, as the cabinet secretary has almost answered my question. Does the cabinet secretary share my concern that the national insurance rise...
Neil Gray SNP
Yes, I do, and I could list the names of those who signed the letter on that subject that was sent by the First Minister and the president of the Convention ...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
The cabinet secretary knows of my interest in technology. The pandemic demonstrated to us the impact that technology can have on healthcare and the speed at ...
Neil Gray SNP
I do not believe that that is the case. Progress is being made through the likes of the accelerated national innovation adoption—ANIA—pathway and, on Monday,...
Tess White (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Neil Gray SNP
I need to make some progress. We will never shy away from the challenges that are facing our NHS and social care services. We will act quickly to deliver mu...
Jackie Baillie Lab
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Neil Gray SNP
I will make some progress, then come back to Ms Baillie. We have planned for and driven workforce growth through investment in training our workforce of the...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call Sandesh Gulhane to speak to and move amendment S6M-16252.2. 15:18
Sandesh Gulhane (Glasgow) (Con) Con
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests, which states that I am a practising GP. Today, I speak not only as a politician but as so...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call Gillian Mackay, who joins us remotely, to speak for around six minutes. 15:25
Gillian Mackay (Central Scotland) (Green) Green
I will start by apologising to the chamber. My Surface has had a moment with Zoom over the past five minutes, so I currently have my phone propped up while I...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I am grateful to the Labour Party and Jackie Baillie for making time in the chamber for this important debate. As I am sure is the case for all members in th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We move to the open debate. For the avoidance of confusion, I note that Labour Party members have opted for more, but shorter, speeches. 15:38
Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Broken promises, missed targets, poor delivery and lack of ambition—that is the truth of the SNP NHS. Ask any constituent—they all have a story about the ded...
The Minister for Social Care, Mental Wellbeing and Sport (Maree Todd) SNP
I want to correct the record, as it is important that we have a healthy debate and discuss the actual facts. I recognise that people are waiting too long, bu...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Briefly.
Maree Todd SNP
—and I ask the member to correct the record.