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Meeting of the Parliament 29 January 2025

29 Jan 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Health and Social Care Workforce

Let me begin on a note of consensus. The staff of NHS Scotland and those who work in social care do an incredible job. They are the backbone of the national health service and of social care; without them, the services would collapse, so they deserve our heartfelt thanks. However, they are firefighting in a broken system, and they are telling us that things cannot go on like this. Staff are leaving the NHS and social care in their droves and far too many are being signed off with exhaustion and poor mental health. They are burnt out because our NHS and our social care system are in a state of crisis. Responsibility for that lies squarely with the Scottish National Party Government.

Right now, more than 863,000 Scots are stuck on an NHS waiting list, and more than 100,000 of them have been there for over a year. In Scotland, more than 7,000 patients have waited more than two years for surgery. In contrast, in England—which has a population more than 10 times the size of Scotland’s—only 151 people have been waiting more than two years. Cancer patients are being let down as treatment targets are not met. Thousands of children are stuck on child and adolescent mental health services waiting lists while countless others are turned away. Health inequalities are widening and life expectancy is declining. Two thousand Scots are currently stuck in hospital who have been medically cleared to leave but are unable to do so.

I say very politely to the First Minister—who was very animated with me last week—that, across a whole host of measures, things are getting worse and not better. To deny the pressures that the NHS in Scotland is facing is, frankly, delusional, and I am tired of the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care telling me that things are actually okay. The situation is causing moral injury to the staff. It compromises patient safety and results in worse outcomes. However, members should not just take my word for it. In the Royal College of Nursing’s damning report on corridor care, which is now the norm, one nurse said:

“I am now in the process of leaving the nhs … It is fraying at the seams and has left me with mental health problems and trauma.”

The crisis cannot be blamed on winter flu cases or Covid-19. The NHS was sailing into troubled waters long before 2020 and the SNP has been in charge for all of that time. For 18 years, it has failed time and time again to protect the health service and to plan for its future.

Let me be honest: attempts at workforce planning have been woeful. The SNP must own the consequences of that, because the evidence is there for all to see. Audit Scotland reports that the target of 800 more general practitioners by 2027 is unlikely to be met. The British Medical Association tells us that an extra 1,000 GPs are needed just to stand still and meet current demand, and it also points out that, despite the Government’s promise, GP numbers are declining and not increasing. At the same time, patient numbers are rising. GPs simply cannot care for more people with the current capacity. It is little wonder that people vote with their feet and head to out-of-hours or accident and emergency departments because they cannot get appointments.

Last night, we were told about GPs in the Lothians who are unemployed. I will repeat that: they are unemployed. At least one is working for Uber. Others go to Australia to work for one month on and one month off. At a time when we are short of GPs and patient demand is increasing, what is the Government thinking? It is a shocking waste of talent that could be deployed in our NHS.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-16252, in the name of Jackie Baillie, on supporting Scotland’s health and social care workforce. I invite...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
Let me begin on a note of consensus. The staff of NHS Scotland and those who work in social care do an incredible job. They are the backbone of the national ...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
Will Jackie Baillie give way?
Jackie Baillie Lab
I will do so briefly.
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
Does Jackie Baillie recognise that the problem in Lothian is particularly bad among GP locums?
Jackie Baillie Lab
I do indeed. That is the situation that I was describing. Alex Cole-Hamilton and I are of one mind on this. The BMA says that there are more than 1,000 cons...
Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
Will Jackie Baillie give way?
Jackie Baillie Lab
I will not. I genuinely worry about what John Swinney will do next. Instead of taking any responsibility, the SNP hides behind the staff and repels every...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call Neil Gray to speak to and move amendment S6M-16252.1. 15:08
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Neil Gray) SNP
I welcome this debate, which is very timely in the light of the speech that was given by the First Minister on Monday on protecting and renewing our health a...
Clare Adamson SNP
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Neil Gray SNP
I will make some progress, first. More recently, the decision that has been made by Jackie Baillie’s colleagues in the UK Government to increase employer na...
Clare Adamson SNP
I should have waited, as the cabinet secretary has almost answered my question. Does the cabinet secretary share my concern that the national insurance rise...
Neil Gray SNP
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Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
The cabinet secretary knows of my interest in technology. The pandemic demonstrated to us the impact that technology can have on healthcare and the speed at ...
Neil Gray SNP
I do not believe that that is the case. Progress is being made through the likes of the accelerated national innovation adoption—ANIA—pathway and, on Monday,...
Tess White (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Neil Gray SNP
I need to make some progress. We will never shy away from the challenges that are facing our NHS and social care services. We will act quickly to deliver mu...
Jackie Baillie Lab
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Neil Gray SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call Sandesh Gulhane to speak to and move amendment S6M-16252.2. 15:18
Sandesh Gulhane (Glasgow) (Con) Con
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests, which states that I am a practising GP. Today, I speak not only as a politician but as so...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call Gillian Mackay, who joins us remotely, to speak for around six minutes. 15:25
Gillian Mackay (Central Scotland) (Green) Green
I will start by apologising to the chamber. My Surface has had a moment with Zoom over the past five minutes, so I currently have my phone propped up while I...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I am grateful to the Labour Party and Jackie Baillie for making time in the chamber for this important debate. As I am sure is the case for all members in th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We move to the open debate. For the avoidance of confusion, I note that Labour Party members have opted for more, but shorter, speeches. 15:38
Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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The Minister for Social Care, Mental Wellbeing and Sport (Maree Todd) SNP
I want to correct the record, as it is important that we have a healthy debate and discuss the actual facts. I recognise that people are waiting too long, bu...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Briefly.
Maree Todd SNP
—and I ask the member to correct the record.