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Meeting of the Parliament 22 January 2025

22 Jan 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Safety in Schools

Last night, I met teachers in Edinburgh at an event that was organised by the Edinburgh branch of the Educational Institute of Scotland to hear first hand about the pressures that teachers in the capital are facing in our classrooms. They spoke of emergency and crisis levels of violence and abuse, and they shared stories of teachers going off on sick leave due to stress and needing to go to accident and emergency departments for broken bones following violent incidents in their schools. Attacks on teachers and pupils in our schools are totally unacceptable and must stop.

It is clear that there is cross-party concern and, I hope, cross-party consensus on the need for more action and leadership to address the on-going increase in cases of violence against pupils and teachers. The need for action to restore positive learning environments, in which all young people and teachers are safe to learn or teach in a respected and supported setting, is a pressing issue and should be ministers’ number 1 priority.

The Scottish Conservatives have led the debate on school discipline. In March last year, we secured a debate on ending violence in schools. As today’s motion states, we welcome the work that ministers have undertaken as a result of that debate, but we need to be honest that it is not delivering the change that we need in our classrooms and schools, and it is not being delivered at any pace.

Unions have warned that there has been a failure of local authorities and Education Scotland to do anything significant to embed the national action plan on relationships and behaviour in schools. Teachers, pupils and parents are crying out for ministers to take action and to provide leadership to turn the situation around.

Today’s debate therefore presents an opportunity for a reset of our school environment, which I believe is needed. Many schools can be—and are—great learning environments for our young people, teachers and the wider community. However, it is concerning that, in too many cases and too many schools, the school environment is now becoming toxic, with students and teachers experiencing stress, bullying or other negative behaviours that impact on their mental health, wellbeing and ability to learn.

Ministers have acknowledged the rise in the incidence of violence and abuse in our schools and the fact that many cases go unreported. That is why the Scottish Conservatives want common sense policies to be brought back to our classrooms and schools. It is why we are calling for action from ministers today to develop a set of national policies to help to deliver the positive changes that we all want to see and to restore our schools to safe and welcoming learning spaces.

The key questions that teachers raised with me last night is why ministers have not commissioned any work to understand why children are exhibiting such negative behaviours and why schools are not being given the support that they need, increasingly, to address those problematic issues. Above all, teachers want ministers to be clear that they support them in saying that violence in our schools must end and that pupils and parents must be responsible for their actions.

That is why I call on ministers to set a clear national policy on what we should expect in every school—which, it is clear, is the direction that teachers want to see. That includes a ban on mobile phones in the classroom—full stop. It also includes a return to single-sex toilets and accessible toilets in all our schools, and the commissioning of a full independent review of the recording of data into incidents of attacks and violence against school staff.

We want clear guidance and support for teachers. We need the restoration of a situation in which poor behaviour in our classrooms has consequences. The majority of our well-behaved pupils in Scotland cannot continue to have their education negatively impacted. Above all, Scottish National Party ministers need to finally empower teachers to take action against disruptive pupils, knowing that ministers have their back.

Yesterday, I heard a new term that teachers are using: “lappers”. Increasingly, pupils are turning up at school and simply walking around the school or running around the corridors. The situation in our schools will only get worse if we do not get a clear and robust response from ministers. We have called for that, and they said that they would deliver it, but we have not seen action. It is totally unacceptable that more and more pupils and teachers now fear—actually fear—going to school each day. We need an end to the acts of physical and verbal abuse against them.

To date, SNP ministers have failed to put in place the measures that would allow teachers to act against those who are responsible for violence and threats in our schools. We need to acknowledge that, in recent years, the school environment has changed. We need clear national policies to be put in place to deliver for teachers and parents, and we need to ensure that we know what they can accept.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-16170, in the name of Miles Briggs, on delivering school environments where it is safe for pupils to lear...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
Last night, I met teachers in Edinburgh at an event that was organised by the Edinburgh branch of the Educational Institute of Scotland to hear first hand ab...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (Ind) Ind
Miles Briggs talks about national policies, but have teachers and headteachers not been given the power to deal with mobile phones, and is that not better de...
Miles Briggs Con
There is a huge difference between the guidance that ministers say that councils can develop and, rather than leaving it to individual schools, a national po...
The Minister for Children, Young People and The Promise (Natalie Don-Innes) SNP
I am grateful to the Scottish Conservatives for securing the debate. I am keen to speak to the measures included in their motion in relation to my ministeria...
Miles Briggs Con
Will Natalie Don-Innes take an intervention?
Natalie Don-Innes SNP
Yes, I will.
Miles Briggs Con
The minister says that she takes umbrage with the word “disparity”. Probably every member in the Parliament will have written to Government ministers to say ...
Natalie Don-Innes SNP
I am going to speak about some of the challenges. In one of the most recent surveys that was undertaken on ELC, 97 per cent of parents were satisfied with t...
Liam Kerr Con
Will Natalie Don-Innes take an intervention?
Natalie Don-Innes SNP
Can I get the time back, Deputy Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
No, not really.
Natalie Don-Innes SNP
Furthermore, my work on the Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Act 2024 means that I take very seriously Miles Briggs’s reference in the motion to suppor...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Let us hear the minister.
Natalie Don-Innes SNP
The First Minister has also written to the UK Government to voice his support for joint working between our Governments to improve online safety. I sincerely...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests. We have returned to the issue many times, but the situation persists. NASUWT has said tha...
John Mason Ind
Will the member give way?
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
Will I get my time back, Deputy Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
No.
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I am sorry, but I am unable to take the intervention. The Government must also address long waits and gaps in provision of key public services, including ch...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to close.
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
We believe that that includes classroom design, and the availability of single-sex, accessible, gender-neutral and changing places toilets, because no one ca...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I apologise, but I am afraid that we have no time in hand. Ross Greer—up to four minutes, please. 15:09
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
The challenge of violence in our schools is very real. One of my frustrations with how the debate has developed over the past couple of years is that young p...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
It is too early to judge whether the Scottish Government’s action plan is working, as we have not even got through the first phase of the plan. However, I ha...
Pam Gosal (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I am grateful to be able to speak on such an important issue. Violent and disruptive behaviour in Scotland’s schools has become an epidemic. In 2023 alone, s...
Bill Kidd (Glasgow Anniesland) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to speak in this important debate. I know that we all agree that having a safe place for our young people to learn in and for our ...
Liam Kerr Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Bill Kidd SNP
No, thanks. There is no time. When pupils feel that their opinions are valued and taken seriously, they are more likely to feel respected and, as a result, ...
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I have always believed that the greatest gift that any society can give a child is access to a good-quality education that gives them the opportunity to achi...