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Meeting of the Parliament 22 January 2025

22 Jan 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Electricity Infrastructure Consenting

The whole point of consulting people earlier is so that their views are heard much earlier and can shape proposals. We have examples of housing developments to which communities and local authorities have objected, and which have then gone to the reporter and the Scottish Government has approved them. That is the planning system: it is about making sure that people are properly involved, which does not happen at the moment.

Making sure that we have a grid that works is a key issue—not just to keep the lights on in our homes and businesses, but because security of supply is more essential than ever. We need to make sure that that is not just rhetoric, because we know that demand for electricity will only grow.

We need alternatives, but we did not get any from the Conservatives today. We need practical solutions. Are no upgrades at all being proposed? I sincerely hope that that is not what is being implied, because all types of renewables developments were mentioned. We need pumped hydro storage, we need battery storage and we need a joined-up approach and solutions, and the grid is part of that.

Community ownership has not come out in the debate at all. It is crucial, because giving communities benefits could lower people’s bills. Benefits could also include local jobs, local homes and local ownership. The work that Community Energy Scotland and Energy4All are doing is vital and will have real benefits for communities.

It is great to hear that the digital offshore skills passport is being launched, which communities and trade unions have been campaigning for for years, and that there is support for investment in Aberdeenshire and Aberdeen for new jobs for workers. Labour is doing that work with Great British Energy, and we are making progress.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-16171, in the name of Douglas Lumsden, on ensuring that communities are at the heart of the electricity c...
Douglas Lumsden (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Up and down Scotland, including in my region, rural communities are being threatened by developments that, as one campaigner describes, are “bulldozing thro...
The Acting Minister for Climate Action (Alasdair Allan) SNP
The member knows full well that ministers cannot meet community groups during a live planning application.
Douglas Lumsden Con
Let us have a look at the ministerial code. It says that “meeting the developer or objectors to discuss the proposal, but not meeting all parties with an in...
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
Douglas Lumsden talks about standing up for communities such as my community in the Borders. Communities are beset with hundreds of applications for renewabl...
Douglas Lumsden Con
Absolutely. We are currently facing plans for hundreds of miles of new pylons right across Scotland, affecting the Highlands, the Borders and Aberdeenshire,...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Alasdair Allan to speak to and move amendment S6M-16171.3. 16:08
The Acting Minister for Climate Action (Alasdair Allan) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to debate the UK and Scottish Governments’ jointly proposed reforms to the consenting process. It is extremely important that every...
Douglas Lumsden Con
Will the minister give way?
Alasdair Allan SNP
I would be interested to know whether the member can gainsay that, but yes.
Douglas Lumsden Con
The minister is right—just like nuclear power is reserved, but the Scottish Government can block it by using the planning laws that it controls. Surely, in t...
Alasdair Allan SNP
I was not aware of Douglas Lumsden’s proposal that communities in Scotland should be in a position to block nuclear power stations. Scottish ministers—Interr...
Douglas Lumsden Con
That is not the point.
Alasdair Allan SNP
The point is that Scottish ministers determine applications to construct or install electricity infrastructure under the Electricity Act 1989. We do not choo...
Craig Hoy (South Scotland) (Con) Con
Made a request to intervene.
Rachael Hamilton Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Alasdair Allan SNP
Yes.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Is the minister giving way to Rachael Hamilton?
Alasdair Allan SNP
Yes.
Rachael Hamilton Con
The queue for an energy grid connection is vastly oversubscribed. Communities that I and others represent are angry—and they are angry because there are so m...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Minister, you have one minute left.
Alasdair Allan SNP
There is certainly a need for reform at the UK level—which is where the powers lie—of the national grid in terms of grid connections and the capacity to make...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Minister, you need to conclude. Please move your amendment.
Alasdair Allan SNP
I move amendment S6M-16171.3, to leave out from “opposes” to end and insert: “believes that communities must be at the heart of the renewable energy transit...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
It is fitting that, as members came into the chamber today, we passed a Scottish and Southern Electricity Networks stall, showing the practical work that it ...
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
There have been circumstances recently in which communities, local authorities, the reporter and a public inquiry have objected but the Scottish Government h...
Sarah Boyack Lab
The whole point of consulting people earlier is so that their views are heard much earlier and can shape proposals. We have examples of housing developments ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You need to conclude.
Sarah Boyack Lab
We need to develop more of a consensus, not just in the chamber but by working with local communities, so that we deliver community benefits, renewable energ...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
The Scottish Liberal Democrats strongly believe in the importance of empowering local communities. That belief has always been central to my approach in scru...