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Meeting of the Parliament 16 January 2025

16 Jan 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (Highlands and Islands)

Thank you.

I hope that the Minister for Parliamentary Business will propose that at a future meeting of the business bureau. However, I will tell members why it perhaps has not come up so far. Perhaps it is because the key words in the report are “failure”, “regression” and “deterioration”.

“Across all rights examined,”

the commission concludes,

“there is not a single human right that meets all the conditions of adequacy under international law”—

not one. Minimum core obligations such as access to food and housing are not being met. The rights to health, social care, education and culture are not getting better; they are getting worse.

These are not abstract or theoretical findings. These rights are about ensuring that everyone can live a dignified life, free from fear and want, but what this report finds is that there is hunger, deprivation and malnutrition. I made some inquiries recently, only to discover that Public Health Scotland does not routinely collect data on malnutrition. However, it should do, because we know from the British Association for Parenteral and Enteral Nutrition that the number of patients who are admitted to hospital diagnosed with malnutrition has doubled to more than 44 per cent in the past decade.

When I was with Rhoda Grant in Shetland, we met the workers at the Sullom Voe terminal, a northerly centre for the United Kingdom oil and gas industry for more than four decades. We sat down and spoke with representatives of the very impressive Shetland Fishermen’s Federation. They told us that their members net one sixth of the catch for the whole of the UK, yet we know that a third of the inhabitants of Shetland are living in fuel poverty. It reminded me of Aneurin Bevan’s observation:

“This island is made mainly of coal and surrounded by fish. Only an organising genius could produce a shortage of coal and fish at the same time.”

In other words, what is wrong is the way in which our society and economy are organised; what is wrong is the way in which power and wealth are distributed. Even among small Highlands and Islands communities that are blighted by hunger, rooflessness and fuel poverty, there exists great affluence. From Anders Holch Povlsen, the richest man in Scotland, to the old aristocracy, including the Earl of Seafield, Earl Granville, the Earl of Sutherland, the Camerons of Lochiel and the Duke of Westminster—all with massive land ownership and vast wealth.

The report is right to determine the equality gap in fundamental human rights between rural and urban Scotland. It is right to point to the acute levels of homelessness in our Highlands and Islands, as well as to the access that is denied to basic public services and fundamental human rights such as food and clothing.

However, we have to understand the colossal wealth gap that exists in the Highlands and Islands. We have to recognise the pernicious division of class. We have to comprehend that, unless we tackle this obscene and rising inequality—the division in income, wealth and power—we will never address the fundamental breaches of human rights that are highlighted in this very serious, important and ground-breaking report.

13:11  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S6M-15705, in the name of Rhoda Grant, on the Scottish Human Rights Commission’s spotlight ...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I thank members who signed my motion and allowed this important debate to take place. I also pay tribute to the Scottish Human Rights Commission for its spot...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Economy and Gaelic (Kate Forbes) SNP
I am sure that Rhoda Grant will join me in acknowledging just how many people in the Highlands and Islands are in fuel poverty—I believe that the figure in t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you the time back for the intervention, Ms Grant.
Rhoda Grant Lab
I agree with the cabinet secretary—people in the area are dependent on vehicles, and I note that some of the measures that are used to pinpoint poverty take ...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Rhoda Grant is making a very powerful speech on the report. Perhaps she might reflect on the power of co-operatives and their potential further development i...
Rhoda Grant Lab
Indeed. Co-operatives are already used in rural areas. Crofting, which is the agricultural system in place in rural areas, is based on co-operative working. ...
Emma Roddick (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
First, I thank Rhoda Grant for securing this important debate. I was glad to support her motion. Secondly, I thank the Scottish Human Rights Commission for u...
Jamie Halcro Johnston (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I thank Rhoda Grant for bringing this debate to the chamber. Along with debates this afternoon on the A9 dualling and on rural healthcare, it begins a very w...
Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank Rhoda Grant for initiating this critical debate and the Scottish Human Rights Commission for having the courage to carry this inquiry out and publish...
The Minister for Parliamentary Business (Jamie Hepburn) SNP
Of course, if Mr Leonard’s business manager cares to raise that matter with me, I would be more than willing to give consideration to scheduling such a debate.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Richard Leonard, I can give you the time back.
Richard Leonard Lab
Thank you. I hope that the Minister for Parliamentary Business will propose that at a future meeting of the business bureau. However, I will tell members w...
Ariane Burgess (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
I thank the Scottish Human Rights Commission for producing its frank and hard-hitting report, and I thank Rhoda Grant for raising it in the chamber. Althoug...
Beatrice Wishart (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
I thank Rhoda Grant for bringing this important debate to the chamber. The Scottish Human Rights Commission’s report “Economic, Social and Cultural Rights in...
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
I congratulate Rhoda Grant on bringing this important debate to the chamber, and I join her and other rural MSPs in welcoming the Scottish Human Rights Commi...
The Minister for Parliamentary Business (Jamie Hepburn) SNP
I, too, thank Rhoda Grant for bringing the motion to Parliament. Like her, I thank the Scottish Human Rights Commission for the report that is at the centre ...
Richard Leonard Lab
Will the minister take an intervention?
Jamie Hepburn SNP
Of course.
Richard Leonard Lab
For clarity, does that mean that you will schedule Government time to debate the report?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I will not. I ask the minister to respond.
Jamie Hepburn SNP
Of course, your perspective on these matters is always welcome, Presiding Officer. I go back to my earlier point that I am more than willing to consider the...
Rhoda Grant Lab
One proposal in the report that the Government could implement now is human rights-based budgeting. Will that be considered? That would address an awful lot ...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I have already made the point that the Government will give full consideration to everything in the report—as it should, because it is a thorough and diligen...
Jamie Halcro Johnston Con
The point that was being made is that a lot of the planning decisions on energy infrastructure are being passed by the Scottish Government. You said that—
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Speak through the chair.
Jamie Halcro Johnston Con
My apologies. The minister said that the Government would give due consideration to the report and would come back in due course. When it comes to timescales...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
It would be remiss of me to provide an exact timescale, and I do not have one before me just now. However, the commitment is to come back as soon as possible...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
That concludes the debate, and I suspend this meeting of Parliament until 2 o’clock. 13:33 Meeting suspended. 14:00 On resuming—