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Meeting of the Parliament 16 January 2025

16 Jan 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Health and Social Care (Rural Scotland)
Carson, Finlay Con Galloway and West Dumfries Watch on SPTV

I congratulate Tim Eagle on bringing this crucial topic to the chamber.

Living in rural Scotland remains a massive challenge and it is certainly not getting any easier, thanks to the centralist approach that the SNP Government is taking. I was born and raised and, thankfully, still live in beautiful Galloway, so I know the many benefits of residing in a rural community, not least of which are the stunning scenery, the abundance of fresh air and—which is most important—being part of the strong bond that rural communities represent.

However, the pros are rapidly being overtaken by the cons, especially when it comes to accessing health and social care, for starters. People are having to travel greater distances to access an ever-increasing range of services that are often taken for granted by people who live in towns and cities. We are seriously struggling to recruit and retain staff across a wide spectrum of skills, from dentistry to midwifery to nursing and social care staff. The large number of unfilled vacancies places an even greater strain on an already under pressure NHS workforce.

As we heard earlier in a members’ business debate that was brought to the chamber by Rhoda Grant, the Scottish Human Rights Commission’s 2024 report on the Highlands and Islands highlighted the pervasive issues of rooflessness, hunger and limited access to healthcare. Although the report’s findings are specific to the Highlands and Islands, they resonate deeply with us in Galloway.

I am delighted that the commission will now look more closely at similar problems that are being experienced in my constituency. Access to healthcare remains a significant challenge where long waiting times and limited availability of services are barriers to the care that residents need. That is not only a violation of their rights, but a threat to their health and wellbeing.

As in other rural and remote communities, there is a serious crisis in midwifery, particularly in Wigtownshire, which I have raised on countless previous occasions in the chamber. According to two former GPs—Dr Gordon Baird and Dr Rod White, to whom I am indebted for their forthright opinions and advice—the current maternity arrangements fall well below any minimum standard.

NHS Dumfries and Galloway’s integration joint board carried out a review to examine the current system, which has failed women and families for the past six years and has led to many distressing stories of roadside deliveries and dashes to the maternity hospital in Dumfries. Women in labour are simply being told to bypass their local community hospital’s accident and emergency department and, with no access to a local midwife out of hours, are forced to travel up to 90 miles along the A75. It should be pointed out that Stranraer is in many ways deprived. There, 40 per cent of people lack access to personal transport—never mind public transport—so we can add that to the equation in getting to Dumfries, which might involve waiting for an ambulance.

It is little wonder that Dr Baird and Dr White insist that, without appropriate action, the system falls way below any minimum standard that could be regarded as fair or reasonable. They insist that the integration joint board’s review was not independent in its structure or conclusions.

Data has often been ineptly handled to mislead politicians. Indeed, the board’s record on implementation of such reviews affecting Wigtownshire, including on the future of our four cottage hospitals, is dismal, to say the least. As well as overruling mothers-to-be, who wanted the birthing suite at the Galloway community hospital to reopen, and instead forcing them to make that journey to Dumfries, the IJB ignored the findings of an independent review that was carried out by health experts from Ayrshire, which recommended that local maternity facilities be reopened.

All of that flies in the face of the advice of Minister for Public Health and Women’s Health, Jenny Minto and, indeed, that of Maree Todd, who visited Stranraer and who wrote to me last October, stating:

“The Scottish Government expects all NHS Boards to provide maternity services that are delivered as close to home as practicable, and to offer a full range of birth place options within their region.”

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S6M-14408, in the name of Tim Eagle, on improving access to health and social care in rural...
Tim Eagle (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I remind members that my wife is a general practitioner partner in a practice in Buckie and that I previously served for five years as a councillor in Moray....
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Economy and Gaelic (Kate Forbes) SNP
In the spirit of commending workers in rural areas, I note that one advantage of smaller teams is that they are able to adapt, innovate and trial things more...
Tim Eagle Con
I agree. I do not have time to go into this in my speech, but I would argue that some of the centralisation in relation to community treatment and care nurse...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Before we move to the open debate, I advise members that we are heavily oversubscribed for this debate. It is inevitable that we will have to extend it by ha...
Fergus Ewing (Inverness and Nairn) (SNP) SNP
I thank Tim Eagle for, as he said, giving us all the opportunity to raise important matters. I wish to focus, as I have intimated to the cabinet secretary, o...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Neil Gray) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Fergus Ewing SNP
Yes.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Be very brief, cabinet secretary.
Neil Gray SNP
I have met Fergus Ewing and those GPs’ colleagues, whose advice I am very grateful for. I hope that he will accept that I have also provided clear guidance a...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to conclude.
Fergus Ewing SNP
I appreciate that the cabinet secretary’s intentions are entirely honourable and good. I entirely accept that. However, as a former minister, I gently say to...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We need to move on. I call Finlay Carson. You have up to four minutes. 17:15
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
I congratulate Tim Eagle on bringing this crucial topic to the chamber. Living in rural Scotland remains a massive challenge and it is certainly not getting...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to conclude.
Finlay Carson Con
In nobody’s mind is 90 miles “close to home”.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to conclude.
Finlay Carson Con
Once again, I urge the cabinet secretary to consider an urgent review of the matter.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Neither of the last two speeches has been within four minutes. We will need to do better, otherwise members who want to speak in the debate will be deprived ...
Douglas Ross (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I congratulate Tim Eagle not just on securing tonight’s debate but on the tour de force speech that he gave on issues affecting his constituents—our constitu...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I, too, thank Tim Eagle for securing the debate. Access to health and social care in the Highlands and Islands is poor, which is borne out by the Scottish H...
Neil Gray SNP
On Rhoda Grant’s point about social care, the progress that we are seeking to make in relation to a national care service is about enshrining a human rights-...
Rhoda Grant Lab
I agree that a human rights-based approach to budgeting must be taken at all levels to meet people’s human rights. That was clear from the Scottish Human Rig...
Jamie Halcro Johnston (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
As other members have done, I thank Tim Eagle for bringing the debate to the chamber. The number of speakers and the pressure that is being brought to bear h...
Neil Gray SNP
I hope that the member will recognise that, along with the constituency member, Kate Forbes, I met residents and family members at Moss Park and that interve...
Jamie Halcro Johnston Con
Saved for how long? That is the problem. What will the loss of care provision mean for the Belford hospital, which is itself in need of replacement? I joine...
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
I am grateful to my colleague Tim Eagle for bringing forward this debate on rural healthcare. At 5 past 4 this afternoon, just over an hour ago, I received ...
Neil Gray SNP
Will the member write to me with the details of that case? We are investing in making sure that we can get through the waiting lists and are using the nation...
Rachael Hamilton Con
I am very grateful to Neil Gray for that response and will certainly write to him. I have also written to him in the past couple of days to invite him to com...
Beatrice Wishart (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
I thank Tim Eagle for raising this important topic in the chamber. In addition to the list of facilities that need replacement that is included in the motion...