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Meeting of the Parliament 11 December 2024

11 Dec 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Changing Places Toilets (Funding)
Todd, Maree SNP Caithness, Sutherland and Ross Watch on SPTV

I have to say that I was somewhat taken aback by the tone of Jeremy Balfour’s motion, because I have recently spent time at the CPG reassuring members, disabled people and organisations that represent them that there would be money in the budget this year. So, to answer Mr Kerr’s point, there were a number of inaccuracies and misleading points in Mr Balfour’s speech, and it will take me some time to correct those; I could not do it in a simple intervention. I am going to take my time in this speech to bring clarity to the situation.

First, I confirm to Parliament that the Scottish Government has not, as Mr Balfour’s motion suggests, gone back on its pledge to invest in changing places toilets. For context, on that particular point, the commitment was to do that during the current parliamentary session, and there are still two budgets left in that session.

I absolutely agree with Mr Balfour and those who have made similar points in today’s debate that changing places toilets are vital facilities that enable many profoundly disabled people to take part in society. They are also important for their families and carers.

As I have highlighted to the Parliament previously, the funding will build on our previous work on the changing places toilets agenda. That includes the introduction of the Scottish building regulation legislation in 2019, which many have mentioned, and which requires the provision of changing places toilets in larger new public buildings. There was also the subsequent publication of our changing places toilet planning guide. I am happy to ask my officials to pick up on the point that Mr Balfour raised about the University of Edinburgh building.

Since 2012, the number of changing places toilets in Scotland has risen from 25 to 269. There has been an increase of almost 30 per cent since 2019, when we introduced the new Scottish building regulations legislation, which required the provision of changing places toilets in larger new buildings to which the public has access.

Scotland’s geography can make coverage challenging—I am a Highland MSP and I absolutely acknowledge that point—and I will seek to address that in the funding criteria. However, we should celebrate the progress that we have made to date and the fact that Scotland has the highest proportion of changing places toilets per head of population in the whole of the UK.

That increase is, of course, testament to the crucial role of committed individuals and local communities in raising funding for and delivering many of those facilities during the past decade or so. Support from local bodies, particularly from local authorities, has been and will continue to be central to driving the agenda forward. We have worked closely with PAMIS and it is great to hear the positive reports about that organisation. It has been a fantastic source of expertise on changing places toilets, providing advice and support right across Scotland.

There is, of course, much more that we can do. It has taken longer than we anticipated to launch the fund, and I absolutely agree that that is a source of disappointment and frustration for many people, including me. As everyone is aware, the Parliament has faced considerable budget challenges in the past few years, and that has resulted in some difficult decisions across all Scottish Government budgets. However, I can confirm to the Parliament today that funding will be provided over the next two years to support further investment in changing places toilets.

The Scottish Government’s draft budget was published a week ago today, and it is subject to the usual parliamentary scrutiny and process. However, we made the decision to increase the draft mental health budget for the next financial year so that we can build on the improvements that we have made. I remind members that the Planning (Scotland) Act 2019, which introduced the building regulations that so many have celebrated tonight, was achieved by the Parliament working together in partnership, as we will all need to do to pass the budget and ensure that the provisions in it come to life.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The final item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S6M-14427, in the name of Jeremy Balfour, on reversal of £10 million funding for changing ...
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
I am often asked which achievement I am most proud of from my time in Parliament. When I look back over my time here, one of the things that comes to mind is...
The Minister for Social Care, Mental Wellbeing and Sport (Maree Todd) SNP
I can confirm to members that there is money coming to changing places this year. I will provide a full summary in my summing-up speech. I would say that muc...
Jeremy Balfour Con
I start by thanking the minister, and I look forward to seeing that money, but the problem is that we have heard that money promised before, and then it has ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We move to the open debate. 17:38
Stuart McMillan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP
I thank Jeremy Balfour for bringing the debate to the chamber. Although I disagree with most of the points in his motion, we both agree that changing places ...
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Mr McMillan is making a fine speech, and I do not intend to make this intervention political; I am genuinely seeking information from him as a member of the ...
Stuart McMillan SNP
As Mr Kerr will know, I am a member of the governing party, but I am not a member of the Government. The minister has already stated that she will provide a ...
Jeremy Balfour Con
I welcome what the member has said up to now. However, is he, too, disappointed that the £10 million that was previously in the Scottish Government’s budget ...
Stuart McMillan SNP
Mr Balfour will be aware of the Scottish Government’s financial situation this year. There were reductions in a variety of funds, as has been well documented...
Alexander Stewart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in this evening’s debate, and I thank my colleague Jeremy Balfour for bringing it to the chamber. To be clear, ch...
Paul O’Kane (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
As convener of the cross-party group on changing places toilets, I welcome another opportunity to discuss this important issue in the chamber. Indeed, it is ...
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I start by saying to Stuart McMillan, who referenced free prescriptions, that 96 per cent of all prescriptions in England are free, so it is likely that all ...
The Minister for Social Care, Mental Wellbeing and Sport (Maree Todd) SNP
I have to say that I was somewhat taken aback by the tone of Jeremy Balfour’s motion, because I have recently spent time at the CPG reassuring members, disab...
Jeremy Balfour Con
I am conscious that your time is running out. Can you tell us—
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Please speak through the chair.
Jeremy Balfour Con
I am sorry. Can the minister tell Parliament how much that figure is and whether it will be spent by the third sector in this financial year?
Maree Todd SNP
As the member would expect, there is still some underpinning detail to work through. I expect to be in a position in the new year to give detail about the am...
Stephen Kerr Con
Will the minister give way?
Maree Todd SNP
I would like to finish my points, because we are a little short of time. More generally, the Scottish Government has done a great deal to support disabled ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
That concludes the debate and I close this meeting of Parliament. Meeting closed at 18:08.