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Meeting of the Parliament 05 December 2024

05 Dec 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Violence Against Women and Girls (Young People’s Voices)
White, Tess Con North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

As we mark the 16 days of activism against gender-based violence, the scourge of violence against women and girls continues to stain society in Scotland, in the United Kingdom and across the world.

The figures are spine-chilling. In Scotland last year, 1,721 young women and girls aged 18 or under reported domestic abuse and 405 girls under the age of 16 reported rape or attempted rape. Up to 90 per cent of women and girls with learning disabilities have been sexually abused. That is just the tip of the iceberg. It is an outrage. It is utterly shameful, and it must end. However, public outcry is not enough.

The criminal justice system has a vital role to play in tackling that violence but, as Fiona Mackenzie from the “We can’t consent to this” campaign has emphasised, we cannot prosecute our way out of that crisis. We must tackle the root causes, as well as the conviction rate.

Karen Ingala Smith, who spearheaded the counting dead women campaign, argues in her book “Defending Women’s Spaces” that

“Men’s violence against women is more than a number of individual acts perpetrated by individual men … it is a social and political issue.”

She is right, of course. It is about sex inequality and challenging attitudes and behaviours that enable men’s violence against women. It is about power and control.

Misogyny has loomed large over the lives of women and girls since the dawn of time, but in the era of TikTok and toxic influencers such as Andrew Tate, misogyny has become radicalised and amplified. Pornography—freely available and readily accessible—glorifies the objectification and subjugation of women. It has become mainstream online entertainment and it normalises sexual violence. All that has further devalued and commoditised women and girls, and our focus must be on challenging and dismantling those attitudes.

Last week, I lodged a motion in the Scottish Parliament—which I am pleased has received cross-party support—to pay tribute to Gisèle Pelicot. The words of that remarkable woman—

“it’s not for us to have shame, it’s for them”—

resonated loudly throughout the world.

However, where are the men? That question was posed at an event that I co-sponsored with Claire Baker last night. Hosted by Beira’s Place, it discussed the dangerous and destructive practice of non-fatal strangulation. With the exception of Russell Findlay, the room was full of women. It was exactly the same at Pam Gosal’s event with For Women Scotland the previous day, which touched on the prevalence of pornography in schools. This is not about middle-class women of a certain age—although I fall into that category—but about women and girls of every age and every imaginable demographic. It is about the beliefs, attitudes and actions of men—and how can those ever change if men in positions of influence do not show up?

I agree with the Scottish Government that education is key. There is a lot that Police Scotland has got wrong when it comes to women, but the “Don’t be that guy” campaign was powerful. It challenged the behaviour of men, not women, who for too long have been forced to modify what they wear and what they do to protect their safety. That kind of messaging must be repeated and reinforced as much as possible, if it is to successfully unpick the impact of misogyny and pornography.

Earlier this week, Reem Alsalem, the UN special rapporteur on violence against women and girls, described the

“onslaught on women-specific language”

as a

“new form of #ViolenceAgainstWomen”.

Today, this is a consensual debate, but it is a debate that is taking place just days after the Supreme Court met to decide what counts as a woman. That ambiguity was created by the Scottish National Party Government. If our own Government cannot define a woman, how can it plausibly secure our safety?

When vulnerable women and girls cannot rely on single-sex spaces to support them after experiencing violence and sexual abuse because of that ambiguity, where do they turn? Where do they go? When a member of the Scottish Parliament is wrongly accused of being transphobic for standing up for women’s rights, as I was yesterday by Patrick Harvie, what signal does that kind of bullying send not just to women and girls but to men and boys? It is shameful.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-15735, in the name of Kaukab Stewart, on empowering young people’s voices in tackling violence against wo...
The Minister for Equalities (Kaukab Stewart) SNP
I am proud to open our debate to mark the annual 16 days of activism against gender-based violence campaign, which calls for everyone to imagine a Scotland t...
Tess White (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Do the Scottish Government and the minister believe that one of the best ways to improve the situation with violence against women and girls is through educa...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Minister, I will give you the time back.
Kaukab Stewart SNP
I agree, and I am glad that the member has given me the opportunity to re-emphasise my point and celebrate the important work of Education Scotland and our t...
Tess White (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
As we mark the 16 days of activism against gender-based violence, the scourge of violence against women and girls continues to stain society in Scotland, in ...
Kaukab Stewart SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Tess White Con
Will I get the time back?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You will get the time back.
Kaukab Stewart SNP
Will the member accept that, under the Equality Act 2010, single-sex spaces are absolutely a right?
Tess White Con
I am glad that the minister has said that. I would like her to share that with her colleagues and make sure that it is enshrined, and to say that to the King...
Katy Clark (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank the minister for bringing the motion to the chamber, as we mark the 16 days of activism, and for the cross-party nature of the debate. The 16 days of...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
I refer colleagues to my entry in the members’ register of interests. Prior to my election, I worked for a rape crisis centre. It is so important that, duri...
Beatrice Wishart (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
I am pleased to contribute on behalf of Scottish Liberal Democrats to the annual debate on the 16 days of international activism. I thank the many organisati...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We move to the open debate. 16:11
Clare Haughey (Rutherglen) (SNP) SNP
Violence against women and girls is a blight on our society. It is a consequence of gender inequality and the misogyny that permeates all our lives. I begin...
Pam Gosal (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank all the organisations that provided briefings for the debate and commend them for the hard work that they do. I also thank For Women Scotland for wor...
Audrey Nicoll (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP) SNP
I appreciate everything that the member has pointed out. I wonder whether she welcomes the fact that yesterday’s budget announcement included £26 million spe...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Pam Gosal, I can give you the time back.
Pam Gosal Con
Thank you. We need absolutely every penny. This is about not just domestic abuse and sexual violence but making sure that the streets are safe, so that our ...
Elena Whitham (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (SNP) SNP
Like many feminists of a certain age, I am tired of fighting a system that is so ingrained with inequality that it feels immovable and intransigent. It is as...
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
Elena Whitham was not able to make the event at Beira’s Place, which was sponsored by Claire Baker and Tess White. Scotland is the only country in the UK tha...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Elena Whitham, I can give you the time back.
Elena Whitham SNP
I absolutely agree with the member. I have been looking at that issue for a long time. Before coming to Parliament, I led work in the East Ayrshire violence ...
Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the chance to speak in the debate and contribute to this sobering discussion of what more can be done to protect and empower young people’s voices ...
Ben Macpherson (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (SNP) SNP
Not so long ago, in this chamber, we reflected on the situation in Afghanistan and the terrible and horrific circumstances for women and girls in that countr...
Maggie Chapman Green
I spoke earlier about oor fierce girls in Dundee and the brave lassies blether campaign in Angus, which are making a huge difference to the lives of young pe...
Paul O’Kane (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to close on behalf of Scottish Labour in an important debate. I will pick up where other speakers have left off in reflecting on the importance ...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I am pleased to close on behalf of the Scottish Conservatives, and to have listened to such impassioned speeches from members on all sides of the chamber in ...
Audrey Nicoll SNP
Will the member take an intervention?