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Meeting of the Parliament 05 December 2024

05 Dec 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Veterans and the Armed Forces Community
Grahame, Christine SNP Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale Watch on SPTV

I am privileged to have in my constituency Glencorse barracks, in Penicuik, which is the home of 2 Scots, the second battalion of the Royal Regiment of Scotland, and across the road and up the hill at Milton Bridge there are Army family homes. I have visited both, and I know that the support of families is essential in sustaining the morale of those who are serving. However, partners and families need support, too, and I agree with Willie Rennie on the special circumstances for the children as they move often from place to place.

The first, obvious observation to make is that the term “veterans” embraces many different people, as Jamie Greene mentioned. There are those who have had a short service career; those who were long serving; those who have been on the front line in places of conflict, in combat or peacekeeping, and those who have not; those who live alone; those who live with parents or partners; those with parental responsibilities; those who have suffered life-changing injuries; and those with combat stress—and that list is not exhaustive. One size therefore does not fit all, but there are common experiences.

Our servicemen and women face particular challenges as they re-enter the civilian community. They have lived and worked in a culture of conformity, structure, obedience and rank; of service tours taking them away from family, partners and friends for months on end; of access to housing and health services being provided; and of a guaranteed income. That contrasts starkly with life in a civilian community—being at home in the world of the civilian in which decisions and choices have to be made that, perhaps, were previously made for them. Now they are at home most of the time. They have to make their own health provision, find work and fit in. The comradeship that came with the job may be distant, and they may have to make new social ties.

Often, that is hard not just for them but for their family. A household will have run without them for months on end. Their partner will have made all the day-to-day decisions, so, even when they are on leave, there have to be adjustments all round—which is also true for any children. They have to fit back into a domestic household that functioned well without them. If they have returned from some horror overseas, that must also be factored in.

Funding to provide routes to adjustment helps, as does all the person-to-person support. I note that, from 2021 to 2023, £750,000 was put into supporting work on health, wellbeing and quality of life that was expanded to include all veterans over 60 instead of 65.

I will focus on health, including the Scottish Government’s commitment to better supporting access to and engagement with primary healthcare providers by veterans and their families. The general practice armed forces and veterans recognition scheme opened to GPs across Scotland in November 2023, providing easily accessible training materials. The scheme’s aim was to raise awareness among general practice teams of some of the unique health challenges that veterans and armed forces families face as a result of military service. It is therefore disappointing to learn of the issues with uptake.

I said “unique”. That is a reference not simply to PTSD but to challenges that might seem mundane but are equally important. For example, on discharge, a home has to be found. We have heard of the difficulties of homelessness and GP registration, and the importance of the MOD ensuring prompt transfer of medical records for the veteran and their family,

Mental wellbeing was referenced by the minister. For some, the transition simply does not work. There can be marriage and relationship break-ups, with all the fallout that can be predicted. Some turn to alcohol and, indeed, drugs, which might lead in time to homelessness, criminal activity and even imprisonment.

That brings me to the withdrawal of NHS Lothian’s financial support for Veterans First Point, to the tune of £200,000 or thereabouts. The Scottish Government remains committed to its 40 per cent share. I already raised the matter in an intervention, and I note the meeting that is to take place next week with the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care and the Minister for Veterans.

As the minister knows, Veterans First Point Lothian is a bespoke service that has been jointly funded by the Scottish Government and NHS Lothian as a one-stop shop, offering support, advice and mental health care for veterans. It is a multi-award-winning service that has provided support, including peer support, to more than 2,500 veterans over the past 15 years.

Notwithstanding that meeting, I have written to the MOD to say that, if NHS Lothian remains intransigent about removing the funding, the MOD should step in. It is only £200,000, for goodness’ sake. After all that those men have done in serving to protect us, that is peanuts.

15:13  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
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The Minister for Higher and Further Education; and Minister for Veterans (Graeme Dey) SNP
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Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
In the light of what the minister says, does he share my disappointment that NHS Lothian is withdrawing its funding—a paltry £200,000 or thereabouts—to suppo...
Graeme Dey SNP
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Jackie Dunbar (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to hear that the minister is exploring the issue further, because I share his disappointment. What can we, as members across the chamber, do to ...
Graeme Dey SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you, minister. I advise members that there is some time in hand, and therefore I can be generous with members’ speaking times. 14:36
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (Con) Con
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Paul Sweeney to open on behalf of Scottish Labour, for a generous four minutes. 14:42
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I join the minister in welcoming to the gallery retired Lieutenant Commander Susie Hamilton, who is the Scottish veterans commissioner. We all agree that she...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Maggie Chapman joins us remotely. 14:49
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
I echo the minister’s comments about the work of the Scottish veterans commissioner and the importance of providing support to prevent homelessness and impro...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
I am pleased that we are having this debate and that we hold it annually, because it is important that we remember that, as the armed forces shrink over the ...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I absolutely agree with what Mr Rennie is saying. Can he foresee us having a facility whereby some of the veterans who have the positive attitude that he des...
Willie Rennie LD
It is important that there is a wide and varied connection between that group of talented people and our education system and beyond. That is why I was pleas...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate. 14:59
Jackie Dunbar (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP) SNP
When the business programme for this week was published, I asked my office manager whether he thought that I should put my name forward to speak in the veter...
Maurice Golden (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I begin by welcoming the debate. As convener of the cross-party group on the armed forces and veterans community, I know that our veterans face many issues, ...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
I am privileged to have in my constituency Glencorse barracks, in Penicuik, which is the home of 2 Scots, the second battalion of the Royal Regiment of Scotl...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the opportunity to contribute to this debate. In the short time that I have, I will concentrate on Forces Children Scotland, although not because I...
Jamie Greene Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Martin Whitfield Lab
I will.
Jamie Greene Con
I am sorry, Presiding Officer—I forgot to press the wee button. Thank you for taking my intervention.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Mr Greene, could you please just start the intervention?
Jamie Greene Con
A point that has been raised in previous debates is that the spouses or partners of serving members often struggle to find meaningful employment in the area ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Always speak through the chair, Mr Greene.
Martin Whitfield Lab
I agree absolutely. I welcome that intervention, because it allows me to talk about article 9 of the UNCRC, which is about the right of a child not to be sep...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Karen Adam is joining us remotely. 15:19
Karen Adam (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
I am honoured to speak today on an issue that means a great deal to me and to Scotland. Our veterans and our armed forces community represent courage, sacrif...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We now move to closing speeches. 15:23