Committee
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee 27 November 2024
27 Nov 2024 · S6 · Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Item of business
Continued Petitions
A82 Upgrade (PE1967)
This petition runs through the parliamentary DNA of David Torrance and me because we have lived with it parliamentary session after parliamentary session. We have stood on various sites and looked at the different options, so I feel that I know more about the A83 and the intractability of many of these problems than I do about the subjects of many other petitions. The fact that there is even a nominal solution is progress of sorts. We will come back to that in a moment. In the meantime, we will consider petition PE1967, which is on protecting Loch Lomond’s Atlantic oak wood shoreline by implementing the high road option for the A82 upgrade between Tarbet and Inverarnan. The petition, which was lodged by John Urquhart on behalf of Helensburgh and District Access Trust and the Friends of Loch Lomond and the Trossachs, calls on the Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to reconsider the process for selecting the preferred option for the planned upgrade of the A82 between Tarbet and Inverarnan, and to replace the design manual for roads and bridges-based assessment with the more comprehensive Scottish transport appraisal guidance. This is another petition that concerns Jackie Baillie’s constituency, so she is with us for it. We last considered the petition on 6 March 2024, when we agreed to write to the Cabinet Secretary for Transport. The cabinet secretary tells us that the Government is progressing detailed development and assessment work on the scheme but is not yet in a position to confirm a timescale for the publication of draft orders and the associated statutory consultation period. In response to our questions about the estimated cost of the time required to complete a STAG appraisal of the A82 Tarbet to Inverarnan corridor, the cabinet secretary tells us that that would likely take 12 to 18 months, but that doing so would return the project to the very start of the process, resulting in several years’ delay to the scheme as well as significant additional cost. It is the cabinet secretary’s view that that would unnecessarily repeat work that has already been carried out and would not provide any value for the Scottish taxpayer. We have also received a submission from the petitioner, which draws our attention to the construction of a new timber extraction road along the line of the proposed high road, which the petitioner suggests demonstrates the feasibility of that option. The submission also raises concerns about the accuracy of cost estimates that have been used to compare the high road and lochside proposals. Jackie Baillie, would you like to contribute any thoughts?
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The Convener
Con
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The Convener
Con
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Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab)
Lab
Thank you, convener, and thank you for your kind words, which I hope will be sustained throughout the meeting. The petitioners are calling for a public inq...
The Convener
Con
This petition runs through the parliamentary DNA of David Torrance and me because we have lived with it parliamentary session after parliamentary session. We...
Jackie Baillie
Lab
I welcome John and Anne Urquhart to the public gallery; their presence shows the importance of the petition to the local community. I have invited the commi...
The Convener
Con
I am surprised that you cannot promise sunshine—I thought that Labour was promising sunshine for all.
Jackie Baillie
Lab
If it will bring you out to the A82, I will promise sunshine for you, convener.
The Convener
Con
Colleagues, I am looking at both the petitions and I think that we are now driven in a similar direction as to how we might take them forward. We are going t...
David Torrance
SNP
This is the third Parliament session during which I have been involved in discussions about the Rest and be Thankful. I say to Jackie Baillie that it was a s...
The Convener
Con
It was.
David Torrance
SNP
I chaired a meeting of the Public Petitions Committee there. This has been an on-going issue for the local community and all the measures that have been put...
Fergus Ewing
SNP
I support Mr Torrance’s suggestion. I was also struck by the petitioner’s most recent submission, of 12 November, which I hope the cabinet secretary will res...
The Convener
Con
I am grateful for that broadcast to the nation, Mr Ewing, and I commend you, as I always do, for delivering it with impeccable grammar from start to finish. ...
Fergus Ewing
SNP
I certainly concur.
The Convener
Con
Are we agreed? Members indicated agreement.
The Convener
Con
The Convener: That is what we will do. I hope that, by that time, we will have the orders that we have been promised and will be able to investigate the matt...