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Meeting of the Parliament 20 November 2024

20 Nov 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
National Insurance Increase (Impact on Public Services)
Gray, Neil SNP Airdrie and Shotts Watch on SPTV

I agree with Alex Cole-Hamilton about the impact that the changes will have. This morning at Leith surgery, I heard the exact point that he was referencing about lower-paid workers being brought into that category, which will have a disproportionate impact on those who employ lower-paid workers. The point that he makes is absolutely right, which is why I hope that we can count on the support of the Liberal Democrats for our motion at decision time.

The decision to increase employer national insurance contributions will increase the direct costs that are faced by the Scottish public sector by well in excess of £500 million in 2025-26—costs that could not be foreseen prior to the budget just a few weeks ago. In the days that followed the announcement, it was evident that neither the chancellor nor her colleagues seemed to understand the impact of the decision, with the chancellor saying one thing and the Chief Secretary to the Treasury saying another. We heard that the costs had been reimbursed and also that the costs had not yet been reimbursed. At one point, the chief secretary claimed that many primary and social care providers would benefit from the more generous employment allowance introduced by the budget, but the employment allowance is not available to any contractor that does more than half their work in the public sector.

Now, just two weeks before our budget, we still do not know how much funding we will receive. In fact, we will not get formal confirmation until after the coming budget process has been concluded—perhaps as late as May.

Today, the Scottish Government has published its estimates of the direct costs to the Scottish public sector from that change, looking across our health and social care services, education providers, the third sector and others. We have shared those costs with the Treasury and have asked it for urgent clarification on the level of compensation that Scotland will receive. If the chancellor does not fund that in full and instead relies on the Barnett formula, it could be that, with costs of more than £500 million, at best £380 million would be forthcoming. Depending on what is reimbursed, that could be a cost to services of around £140 million to £200 million. If the reimbursement is less than £380 million, that will put the Scottish budget in an extremely difficult position.

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The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-15529, in the name of Neil Gray, on the impact of the national insurance increase on public services. I i...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Neil Gray) SNP
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Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
Does the cabinet secretary recognise that there is not only an increase in the percentage of employer national insurance contributions but a decrease in the ...
Neil Gray SNP
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Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I do not disagree with many of the points that the cabinet secretary has made. However, there is something missing from his speech, and from his motion, and ...
Neil Gray SNP
I appreciate the point that Murdo Fraser makes, because I think that the increase is regressive for growth, which is supposedly the UK Government’s number 1 ...
Craig Hoy (South Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Neil Gray SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Yes.
Neil Gray SNP
I give way to Mr Hoy.
Craig Hoy Con
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Neil Gray SNP
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Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
Will Craig Hoy take an intervention?
Craig Hoy Con
I will. Perhaps Jackie Baillie can give us her interpretation.
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Neil Gray SNP
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Craig Hoy Con
I accept that in terms of the consequences of the increase to national insurance contributions, but perhaps the Scottish Government would have had more cash ...
Douglas Lumsden (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
This afternoon, I heard from Aberdeenshire Council that it has an extra £10.7 million of additional costs in relation to national insurance. In relation to t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Mr Lumsden, that is a very long intervention.
Douglas Lumsden Con
Does the member agree—
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Mr Hoy, I think that you have heard enough to respond to that. In doing so, I ask that you start to bring your remarks to a close.
Craig Hoy Con
I thank Douglas Lumsden for his very succinct intervention. I fully accept that there are cost pressures in councils right across Scotland. The Scottish Gov...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Mr Hoy, you will have to conclude. Please move your amendment. Thank you.
Craig Hoy Con
—that threatens the very survival of public services across Scotland.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Mr Hoy, please conclude and move your amendment.
Craig Hoy Con
I conclude on that point. I move amendment S6M-15529.2, to leave out from “should” to end and insert: “increasing employer national insurance contributions...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Jackie Baillie to speak to and move amendment S6M-15529.3. 15:36
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