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Meeting of the Parliament 13 November 2024

13 Nov 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Business Motions

The standing orders of the Scottish Parliament provide for emergency bills. They are very specific about the timetabling of an emergency bill, in that it should take place over one day. That has not been provided for in the business motion that the minister lodged on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau. Indeed, it refers only to stage 1. Therefore, there seems to be an attempt to amend the standing orders with regard to the timetabling of an emergency bill. Timetabling of such a bill is acceptable and has happened in the past, but there is no provision in the motion to show when that amendment is likely to happen. I am concerned about that, partly because of what we heard with regard to the proposed amendment to the motion, and because I feel that we are slightly at a loss about how to deal with the matter, given the way that it has been approached.

In October, the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs made reference to the proposals for an emergency bill and informed the Parliament of her intention to introduce a bill to contribute to the sustainable long-term management of prisoners. She indicated that there were two elements to the bill. First, in relation to short-term prisoners with sentences of less than four years, she informed the Parliament, rightly, that with work being done, there could be a sustained reduction of some 260 to 390 individuals. The second part of the bill relates to prisoners serving sentences in excess of four years. The cabinet secretary said that the bill needed to contain that because it had been confirmed after consultation that more in-depth consideration was needed with partners. Indeed, she said that she was prioritising actions that can deliver a sustained reduction to the prison population but that

“Public safety remains paramount, which is why I am focusing only on short-term prisoners, with built-in exemptions.”—[Official Report, 10 October 2024; c 58.]

We seem to have a conflation of two bills. One relates to short-term prisoners, which, on the face of the evidence that has been presented to the Parliament, may indeed meet the criteria for being treated as an emergency. However, the second part of the bill relates to long-term prisoners, which clearly does not amount to an emergency situation from the Scottish Government’s evidence.

For those reasons, I have lodged an amendment to remove the reference in the business motion declaring the bill to be an emergency bill, which will allow, I hope, agreement within the bureau on how to deal with the issue in the normal manner before the debate is scheduled to take place.

I move amendment S6M-15423.1, to leave out from “followed by Prisoners (Early Release) (Scotland) Bill: Emergency Bill Motion” to “Stage 1 Debate: Prisoners (Early Release) (Scotland) Bill” and insert:

followed by Business Motions

followed by Parliamentary Bureau Motions

followed by Approval of SSIs (if required)

5.15 pm Decision Time

followed by Members’ Business

Thursday 21 November 2024

11.40 am Parliamentary Bureau Motions

11.40 am General Questions

12.00 pm First Minister's Questions

followed by Members’ Business

2.30 pm Parliamentary Bureau Motions

2.30 pm Portfolio Questions:
Net Zero and Energy, and Transport

followed by Scottish Government Business.”

17:18  
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The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is consideration of business motion S6M-15423, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau, setting out a b...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Liam Kerr to speak to and move amendment S6M-15423.2. You have up to five minutes, Mr Kerr. 17:10
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I rise to speak to the amendment in my name to the minister’s business motion for next week. The minister has lodged a motion that suggests that, next Wednes...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
The standing orders of the Scottish Parliament provide for emergency bills. They are very specific about the timetabling of an emergency bill, in that it sho...
The Minister for Parliamentary Business (Jamie Hepburn) SNP
The Scottish Government is committed to ensuring that our prisons function safely and effectively for all those who live and work in our prison estate. The S...
Liam Kerr Con
The minister appears to have completely missed the point. The representations from Martin Whitfield and me were about the setting of the business for next we...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
This is about scheduling to enable us to have that debate. The debate is what Liam Kerr wants not to happen. What I am doing—which was clearly not done by Mr...
Martin Whitfield Lab
Will the minister give way?
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I will happily give way.
Martin Whitfield Lab
Does the minister also agree with the cabinet secretary that the emergency element related to short-term prisoners and, indeed, that the part that relates to...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
There will always have to be on-going consultation with stakeholders as to how we take forward the elements of bills that we seek to lay before Parliament. T...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
Will the minister take an intervention?
Jamie Hepburn SNP
Yes, I will give way very briefly.
Maggie Chapman Green
Can the minister clarify and confirm that if we do not agree to the business motion this evening, we cannot proceed with the stage 1 debate next week? The mo...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I absolutely concur with that point. I make no assumptions about how people will vote, although it was interesting of Liam Kerr to suggest that he thinks tha...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I remind members that if the amendment in the name of Liam Kerr is agreed to, the amendment in the name of Martin Whitfield will fall. The question is, tha...
The Presiding Officer NPA
There will be a division. There will be a short suspension to allow members to access the digital voting system. 17:14 Meeting suspended. 17:27 On resuming—
The Presiding Officer NPA
I remind members that, if the amendment in the name of Liam Kerr is agreed to, the amendment in the name of Martin Whitfield will fall. We come to the vote ...
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
On a point of order, Presiding Officer, I would have voted yes.
The Presiding Officer NPA
Thank you, Mr Bibby. We will ensure that that is recorded. For Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Balfour, Jeremy (Lothian) (Con) Bibby, Neil (W...
The Presiding Officer NPA
The result of the division on amendment S6M-15423.2, in the name of Liam Kerr, is: For 48, Against 70, Abstentions 0. Amendment disagreed to.
The Presiding Officer NPA
The next question is, that amendment S6M-15423.1, in the name of Martin Whitfield, which seeks to amend motion S6M-15423, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, on be...
The Presiding Officer NPA
There will be a division. For Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Balfour, Jeremy (Lothian) (Con) Bibby, Neil (West Scotland) (Lab) Boyack, Sara...
The Presiding Officer NPA
The result of the division on amendment S6M-15423.1, in the name of Martin Whitfield, is: For 51, Against 67, Abstentions 0. Amendment disagreed to.
The Presiding Officer NPA
The next question is, that motion S6M-15423, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau, setting out a business programme, be agreed...
The Presiding Officer NPA
There will be a division. For Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP) Adam, Karen (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
The result of the division on motion S6M-15423, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, is: For 68, Against 51, Abstentions 0. Motion agreed to, That the Parliament ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
The next item of business is consideration of business motion S6M-15424, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau, on a stage 2 ti...