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Meeting of the Parliament 13 November 2024

13 Nov 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Housing Emergency

We see the toll on people who are homeless or desperate for a new house. They live with it all day, every day, all night and all year round. They are drained, anxious and unwell. They are arguing in the family and they are desperate for a change. We members do not know what that is like, because we are living in a different world from the one that they are living in.

That needs to come home in the priorities of this Government, because the Government knows that it has made a mistake. It has made a mistake over a number of years, and that is why it is changing its policy now. We might debate whether the policy changes are right, but the fact that the Government is changing policy now is an indication that it had got it wrong. In many local authorities, including the housing minister’s, there is a stark housing emergency. It is stark across the country, and, as we have talked about, 10,000 children are in temporary accommodation, so their lives are in limbo.

When it was clear that a housing crisis was coming, what was most depressing was that the Government cut the affordable housing supply programme by a large degree. The Government says that it was somebody else’s fault, but its budget decisions led to that situation and made the emergency even worse.

To give the Government credit, I think that it is taking steps in the right direction. The changes to the planning system that were announced yesterday were an improvement, because they will remove the infrastructure levy, increase the capacity and expertise in planning departments, and create a best practice hub in the centre. Those measures might lead to some pragmatic improvements. I still have concerns about access to land supply in areas that are viable, however, and I hope that the minister will look at that issue.

The changes that were announced yesterday were a step in the right direction. I remain sceptical about rent control as a whole, but the previous week’s rent control decisions on CPI plus 1 per cent and, crucially, excluding mid-market rent and build to rent were a good signal to investors that they should look to invest in the sector. It is about restoring confidence in the industry, because its confidence was at rock bottom.

I attended the Homes for Scotland conference just a few weeks ago, and the house builders were desperate to build new homes. We cannot do it without those people. We might not like them, but we cannot do it without them, because they build houses. We are not going to do it all through the Government, councils or housing associations; we need the builders to make it work. Therefore, we need to build confidence in those people, and the steps that the Government has taken are a move in the right direction.

I urge the minister to consider the language around energy performance, which we have discussed previously. Specifically, the use of the term “Passivhaus” strikes fear into the hearts of some people, who believe that a specific standard is being required when, in fact, we should be aiming for a high energy efficiency standard overall. We need houses to be built at volume and quickly, to a really good standard, but specifying “Passivhaus” would be a mistake.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-15401, in the name of Meghan Gallacher, on Scotland’s housing emergency. I invite members who wish to par...
Meghan Gallacher (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
The Housing (Scotland) Bill was a golden opportunity to address Scotland’s housing emergency, yet the bill that the Government introduced does not even menti...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
The member makes a point about property owners selling their property. However, surely that will not destroy the housing stock; it will simply transfer it to...
Meghan Gallacher Con
What we need is mixed-tenure housing to fix the housing emergency that we are currently in, and rent controls will not fix the situation. Rent controls will...
The Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice (Shirley-Anne Somerville) SNP
This is a good opportunity to give another further update on the Housing (Scotland) Bill in the chamber, because although addressing the housing emergency is...
Meghan Gallacher Con
Does the cabinet secretary understand that the policies that her Government is trying to push through the Parliament have stalled roughly £3.2 billion-worth ...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
As a minority Government, we cannot push a bill through Parliament. Stages 2 and 3 of the bill are coming up, and we look forward to continuing discussions w...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
The cabinet secretary says that the measures will make rents more affordable. Will she explain how rent will be made more affordable by amendments that requi...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
That aspect of rent controls is one of the areas where Patrick Harvie and I fundamentally disagree. Although the Government’s continuing priority is to eradi...
Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
We are quite often suspected by the public—and often by each other—of making capital from issues that affect people’s lives. Last year, there were 40,000 hom...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Mark Griffin Lab
As long as it is brief, because I am really restricted on time.
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
The best way to deliver more affordable homes is through the budget. If we present a budget that has funding for more affordable homes, will Labour vote for it?
Mark Griffin Lab
I hope that that is in the budget. For the past six months, the cabinet secretary and the minister have talked about me, as a Labour spokesperson, lobbying a...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
Scottish Greens believe that access to safe, warm and affordable housing is a fundamental human right that is essential to our health, happiness and ability ...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
We see the toll on people who are homeless or desperate for a new house. They live with it all day, every day, all night and all year round. They are drained...
Patrick Harvie Green
It is not specified.
Willie Rennie LD
It has been specified as “Passivhaus”. It is in the language, so we need to have clarity about exactly what the Government means. We should be aiming for a h...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We move to the open debate. 16:25
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
Presiding Officer, “Edinburgh is at the epicentre of the housing and homelessness crisis”.—Official Report, 23 April 2023; c 29. I spoke those words durin...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Miles Briggs Con
If I can get some time back.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You can get most of it back.
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
Ministers had a meeting with the council on the issue today, and we have offered to have another meeting at ministerial level on Friday. Ministers and offici...
Miles Briggs Con
That is welcome, and I hope that the cabinet secretary will update MSPs from across the parties very soon on that. We know that there is concern about a loss...
Gordon MacDonald (Edinburgh Pentlands) (SNP) SNP
When the Housing (Scotland) Bill was introduced, I was a member of the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee. We took evidence on parts 1 to 4 of ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to conclude.
Gordon MacDonald SNP
I also welcome the commitment to build a further 110,000 affordable social rented homes. 16:34
Jackson Carlaw (Eastwood) (Con) Con
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Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Scotland is facing a housing emergency, as borne out by the fact that 13 of Scotland’s 32 local authorities have now declared one. The culmination of that di...