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Meeting of the Parliament 06 November 2024

06 Nov 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Keeping the Promise
Don-Innes, Natalie SNP Renfrewshire North and West Watch on SPTV

“Plan 24-30” is a good example of how that can be done. The more that develops and the more good practice is shared in that regard, the more we will be able to deliver that level of consistency. Also, stories of change will be published, which will allow further sharing of information on progress.

I attended a conference earlier this year—although it seems like longer ago—at which a lot of key stakeholders, local authorities, third sector organisations, children and young people came together to learn about the different things that were going on across the country. Such events are really important, and we need to have more of them in the future.

I absolutely agree that the use of restraint should always be a last resort. I confirm that the Care Inspectorate is preparing to publish, this month, data on the extent of physical restraint in residential accommodation settings. However, again, I know that we have further to go, and I welcome discussions with members around what is required as we progress towards introducing the Promise bill.

I am a big supporter of the whole family wellbeing fund, which supports a huge range of activity across a comprehensive programme to enable local system change. Children’s services planning partnerships can choose how to spend that money as best meets their needs. I have seen on the ground the impact that it has had on various services in local authority areas, which shows that transformational change can happen.

I agree with Ms Sturgeon and other members that the whole family wellbeing fund is absolutely fundamental to delivering the Promise. I recognise the urgency, and our ambition is to increase the scale of that investment but, of course, we have to take an evidence-based approach to funding decisions.

Mr Rennie and many other members spoke about how we can track progress best. The Promise progress framework, which uses the quantitative data that is held at the national level to inform progress, is due to be published by the end of this year.

Finally, Ms Haughey made an important point. We are in a different place now from where we were when the Promise was made. We have had a cost of living crisis and a pandemic, so delivery has been more difficult, but that does not take away from this Government’s emphasis, focus and determination to keep and deliver the Promise.

As I said, I thank members for their challenges today. This is a journey to 2030 and, even with all the progress so far and the upcoming Promise bill, there is still some way to travel. We are learning every day, and best practice is being created, duplicated and shared. In spite of our having a long way to go, I am confident that we are moving in the right direction.

We all have a responsibility to raise the profile and understanding of the Promise. There can be no denial that good things are happening across local authority areas, but a lot of people still do not know what the Promise is or what it means, yet it impacts on every one of us every day.

The “Follow the Money” report, which was published as part of the Promise in 2020, showed that Scotland spends £942 million per year on the care system. The universal services that are associated with care-experienced people cost a further £198 million per year. The cost of services that care-experienced people require, as a result of the current failures in care, is estimated to be £875 million per year.

Even if we are not care-experienced or do not know anyone who is care-experienced, keeping the Promise impacts on all of us. Keeping the Promise, supporting families to stay together and moving towards prevention, rather than reaction, will have huge benefits not just for our children and young people, but for our entire country.

That is entirely in line with our tackling poverty agenda. A disproportionate number of children who live in care are in poverty. Equally, tackling poverty and supporting families to thrive will mean that fewer children will be unable to be looked after at home. The two approaches go hand in hand with one another.

In line with that, it is hugely important to tackle the stigma around care, which Gillian Mackay mentioned, and to have understanding and awareness of what care experience means.

As we move forward, we must continue to ensure that our actions have a real and lasting impact. To do that, we must continue to listen to the voices of our care-experienced community.

I feel very privileged when someone is brave enough to share their personal experience with me, in the hope that they can improve things for others. The basis of the Promise is that the voice, the individual and the group conversations are making a difference, which is why it is important to share something back.

When I became the Minister for Children, Young People and The Promise, I had no idea how much the role would mean to me. I got into politics because I want to change the world for the better, and I want an independent Scotland in which children grow up happy and families are free from poverty. I have previously highlighted some of my personal experiences growing up in a difficult background, but I think that it is appropriate to do so again to drive home the point.

My childhood was not easy. I was very young when my dad passed away. From far too early an age I saw the problems that drug and alcohol abuse can cause, and I witnessed domestic abuse from an early age. Something that I had not considered prior to my first day in this role was that, during periods of my life when I was not able to be cared for at home, I sometimes spent months at a time in an informal kinship care arrangement at my grandparents’ house. I am very thankful to have had them, and they are a massive part of why I am standing here today.

I do not say this for sympathy, and I do not pretend to understand every experience that children and young people face in Scotland—not by any means—however, members can be sure that, as someone who has lived through some extremely difficult experiences growing up, and who has experienced a sense of unbelonging, fear and disconnection, I am here to fight for all the children and young people across Scotland who face similar issues.

Doing this role every day and speaking about such issues regularly—whether with colleagues, care-experienced people or the third sector—has been very difficult, I will admit, and it has raised a lot of emotions that I thought I had dealt with. However, over and above that, the trauma has driven me to work as hard as I possibly can to facilitate change for those who need it most. Keeping the Promise is a priority for this Government, but it is a personal commitment of mine to do everything in my power to improve the lives of care-experienced children and young people, to tackle poverty and to work towards our having a country that supports families to stay together and to be happy.

I look forward to working with all children and young people, care-experienced people, colleagues, third sector organisations and other stakeholders to ensure that our vision to keep the Promise remains laser focused. I give members my assurance that I will remain committed to driving forward that change.

I finish by urging members to use today’s decision time to reaffirm our commitment across the Parliament to keep the Promise. [Applause.]

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-15205, in the name of Natalie Don-Innes, on keeping the Promise. I invite members who wish to participate...
The Minister for Children, Young People and The Promise (Natalie Don-Innes) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer, for the opportunity to bring the debate to the chamber. As minister for the Promise, I have seen progress, listened to heart-wa...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
The definition of “care experience” is becoming one of the most important elements, and it is right that that definition is developed with people with care e...
Natalie Don-Innes SNP
We are consulting on that matter, which will be considered in anticipation of the bill. In August 2023, I was very proud to introduce the Scottish recommend...
Roz McCall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I thank the minister for bringing this important debate to the chamber. I welcome the opportunity to reaffirm the commitment of Scottish Conservative members...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am a proud member of the Children’s Parliament “unfearties”; I stand with children to make rights real in day-to-day life. Today, as part of that journey, ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you very much indeed, Mr Whitfield. I call Gillian Mackay, who joins us remotely. 15:19
Gillian Mackay (Central Scotland) (Green) Green
I, too, thank the minister for holding this hugely important debate. Like others, I reaffirm the Scottish Greens’ commitment to achieving the Promise. I d...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
Of course, we in the Liberal Democrats recommit ourselves to the Promise, which is why we will support the Government’s motion this afternoon. However, we wi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We move to the open debate. 15:32
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to speak in the debate. Hard as it may be for folks in the chamber to recognise, I was first elected to Aberdeen City Council in May 1999—some 2...
Oliver Mundell (Dumfriesshire) (Con) Con
On reflection, I wonder whether I have been in the Parliament for too long, because I find debates such as this one quite hard. I do not want to sour the ton...
Natalie Don-Innes SNP
I do not think that anybody is arguing that we have kept the Promise; we are on a journey to keep the Promise by 2030. I welcome hearing about the challenges...
Oliver Mundell Con
If the minister was listening, she would have heard that I did say that there are some things that we can be pleased with. However, although I do not want to...
Clare Haughey (Rutherglen) (SNP) SNP
It is easy to forget what a powerful statement it was when the Promise was launched and voices across the Parliament and our public services used the word “l...
Katy Clark (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the news that the much-needed Promise bill will be introduced during this session of Parliament. That will be a relief to care-experienced campaign...
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
Children and young people across Scotland deserve the very best that there is to offer in all aspects of their lives. It is our job as members of Parliament ...
Foysol Choudhury (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Four years have passed since the introduction of the Promise. Although I was not a member of the Scottish Parliament then, I was pleased to see parties unite...
Nicola Sturgeon (Glasgow Southside) (SNP) SNP
Few, if any, issues matter more to me than this one. I know that that is true for the minister, too, and I commend her for her leadership on this mission. T...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
We move to the closing speeches. I call Gillian Mackay to close on behalf of the Scottish Greens. Ms Mackay joins us remotely. 16:16
Gillian Mackay Green
It has been a good debate—it has been a challenging debate for us all, but it has certainly been a good one. I absolutely agree with the minister that we ne...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to close today’s debate on the Promise on behalf of the Scottish Labour Party. We have heard from colleagues today, including the minister, Rona...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you, Ms Duncan-Glancy. Miles Briggs will close on behalf of the Scottish Conservatives. 16:28
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
I thank the organisations that have provided helpful briefings for us ahead of the debate and I welcome to the public gallery representatives from them. As t...
Natalie Don-Innes SNP
I thank all members for their considered contributions throughout the debate. I am encouraged to hear that cross-party support to keep the Promise remains st...
Kevin Stewart SNP
How are we going to spread good practice across Scotland? Quite often, we hear about amazing things going on in one place but find that, in the next-door loc...
Natalie Don-Innes SNP
“Plan 24-30” is a good example of how that can be done. The more that develops and the more good practice is shared in that regard, the more we will be able ...
The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
That concludes the debate on keeping the Promise.