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Meeting of the Parliament 06 November 2024

06 Nov 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Keeping the Promise

I welcome the news that the much-needed Promise bill will be introduced during this session of Parliament. That will be a relief to care-experienced campaigners, who have for years been calling for legislation to be strengthened to better support care-experienced people throughout their lives. The bill has been a long time coming since the launch of the care review and the publication of the Promise report, in February 2020.

There has clearly been some progress, which we should all welcome. I listened to what the minister said, but I wonder whether we are as close to keeping the Promise as we should be. We now know categorically that the first phase of the Promise has failed and that the objectives that were set in “Plan 21-24” were not met. The research report “Is Scotland Keeping the Promise?” makes it clear that Scotland is not keeping the promise that was made in 2020. Care-experienced children are still being excluded from our classrooms, which leads to those children having some of the poorest attainment levels in the country. While we continue to exclude care-experienced children from education, that will have a huge impact on their ability to reach a positive destination when they leave school.

We know that Scotland is in the grip of a housing emergency and that care-experienced people are twice as likely to experience homelessness. “Plan 21-24” stated:

“Housing pathways for care experienced young people will include a range of affordable options that are specifically tailored to their needs and preferences. Youth homelessness will be eradicated.”

We have to wonder how close we are to keeping that promise. It went on:

“Scotland must avoid the monetisation of the care of children and prevent the marketisation of care”.

That was at the centre of the Promise, as we know how greed in the care sector can lead to a race to the bottom to maximise profits for shareholders, and the impact of the huge cost of private care placements on local authority budgets. That has not ended. Can the minister outline what the plan is and when that will end?

Although the decision to stop sending under-18s to Polmont is to be warmly welcomed, we also know that there can be issues in secure care settings—for example, the reports of abuse and children facing what was described as a “serious risk to ... life” at St Mary’s Kenmure.

The importance of truly independent advocacy should not be underestimated, as it can have such an impact on the lives of care-experienced people of all ages. We know that being in care as a child can have lifelong consequences, but the Scottish Government almost always puts arbitrary age limits on the support that it offers. We need the introduction of a truly lifelong advocacy service, to build on the good work that is currently done by the helpline run by Who Cares? Scotland. That radical change would really make a difference.

The Promise Scotland, an arm’s-length company owned by the Scottish ministers, does not have any powers to hold Scotland to account on keeping the Promise. It does not seem to take responsibility for the failure of “Plan 21-24”, despite the millions of pounds of public money that have been ploughed into the organisation. Does the minister still believe that continuing to fund the organisation and the expense of consultants attached to it is the best value for the public pound, given the policy failures that have been outlined today?

We must do all that we can for care-experienced people, and we must ensure that the Scottish Government is doing everything that it can to keep the Promise. This has to be a promise made and delivered, or we have let down every care-experienced person who has put their faith in us. We have to say very clearly, in relation to that group in particular, that if we make a promise, we have to keep it.

15:56  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-15205, in the name of Natalie Don-Innes, on keeping the Promise. I invite members who wish to participate...
The Minister for Children, Young People and The Promise (Natalie Don-Innes) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer, for the opportunity to bring the debate to the chamber. As minister for the Promise, I have seen progress, listened to heart-wa...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
The definition of “care experience” is becoming one of the most important elements, and it is right that that definition is developed with people with care e...
Natalie Don-Innes SNP
We are consulting on that matter, which will be considered in anticipation of the bill. In August 2023, I was very proud to introduce the Scottish recommend...
Roz McCall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I thank the minister for bringing this important debate to the chamber. I welcome the opportunity to reaffirm the commitment of Scottish Conservative members...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am a proud member of the Children’s Parliament “unfearties”; I stand with children to make rights real in day-to-day life. Today, as part of that journey, ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you very much indeed, Mr Whitfield. I call Gillian Mackay, who joins us remotely. 15:19
Gillian Mackay (Central Scotland) (Green) Green
I, too, thank the minister for holding this hugely important debate. Like others, I reaffirm the Scottish Greens’ commitment to achieving the Promise. I d...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
Of course, we in the Liberal Democrats recommit ourselves to the Promise, which is why we will support the Government’s motion this afternoon. However, we wi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We move to the open debate. 15:32
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to speak in the debate. Hard as it may be for folks in the chamber to recognise, I was first elected to Aberdeen City Council in May 1999—some 2...
Oliver Mundell (Dumfriesshire) (Con) Con
On reflection, I wonder whether I have been in the Parliament for too long, because I find debates such as this one quite hard. I do not want to sour the ton...
Natalie Don-Innes SNP
I do not think that anybody is arguing that we have kept the Promise; we are on a journey to keep the Promise by 2030. I welcome hearing about the challenges...
Oliver Mundell Con
If the minister was listening, she would have heard that I did say that there are some things that we can be pleased with. However, although I do not want to...
Clare Haughey (Rutherglen) (SNP) SNP
It is easy to forget what a powerful statement it was when the Promise was launched and voices across the Parliament and our public services used the word “l...
Katy Clark (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the news that the much-needed Promise bill will be introduced during this session of Parliament. That will be a relief to care-experienced campaign...
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
Children and young people across Scotland deserve the very best that there is to offer in all aspects of their lives. It is our job as members of Parliament ...
Foysol Choudhury (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Four years have passed since the introduction of the Promise. Although I was not a member of the Scottish Parliament then, I was pleased to see parties unite...
Nicola Sturgeon (Glasgow Southside) (SNP) SNP
Few, if any, issues matter more to me than this one. I know that that is true for the minister, too, and I commend her for her leadership on this mission. T...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
We move to the closing speeches. I call Gillian Mackay to close on behalf of the Scottish Greens. Ms Mackay joins us remotely. 16:16
Gillian Mackay Green
It has been a good debate—it has been a challenging debate for us all, but it has certainly been a good one. I absolutely agree with the minister that we ne...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to close today’s debate on the Promise on behalf of the Scottish Labour Party. We have heard from colleagues today, including the minister, Rona...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you, Ms Duncan-Glancy. Miles Briggs will close on behalf of the Scottish Conservatives. 16:28
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
I thank the organisations that have provided helpful briefings for us ahead of the debate and I welcome to the public gallery representatives from them. As t...
Natalie Don-Innes SNP
I thank all members for their considered contributions throughout the debate. I am encouraged to hear that cross-party support to keep the Promise remains st...
Kevin Stewart SNP
How are we going to spread good practice across Scotland? Quite often, we hear about amazing things going on in one place but find that, in the next-door loc...
Natalie Don-Innes SNP
“Plan 24-30” is a good example of how that can be done. The more that develops and the more good practice is shared in that regard, the more we will be able ...
The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
That concludes the debate on keeping the Promise.