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Meeting of the Parliament 10 September 2024

10 Sep 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Very clear responsibilities are laid on the chief constable via the 2020 legislation in that the primary focus for holding the chief constable to account is the Scottish Police Authority.

As for the potential consequences of either the code of ethics or the duty of candour, it is important to recognise that the professional standards and behaviours expected of police constables are set out in regulations. Although it is important that some matters are not conflated, there can be an overlap.

In its stage 1 report, the committee made a number of key recommendations on strengthening the framework on vetting. My officials have engaged extensively with policing partners, with a focus on how those recommendations can be delivered in practice. I am happy to confirm that I am considering in detail how best to implement the recommendations of His Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary in Scotland ahead of stage 2.

The bill also proposes changes relating to the handling of police misconduct cases. Dame Elish’s review recommended the transfer of certain functions from the SPA to the PIRC

“to enhance independent scrutiny”

and

“remove any perception of familiarity”

between those subject to allegations and the person considering the matter.

The bill amends the Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Act 2012 act to enable the expansion of the role of the PIRC in senior officer misconduct cases, through measures to be established in secondary legislation. Currently, where there is an allegation of misconduct and the subject officer resigns or retires, any live proceedings come to a halt. The committee heard that that creates a perception that officers who are guilty of serious wrongdoing can escape scrutiny and consequences.

The committee also heard from officers who were frustrated that they could not clear their name. There is therefore a strong public interest in dealing with allegations of gross misconduct after officers leave the service. The bill delivers on that by ensuring that disciplinary procedures can apply to former constables in the most serious cases.

I agree with the committee that investigations into former officers should be completed as timeously as possible. I am very much aware that any delay prolongs the impact on victims and on officers, and I commit to exploring with policing partners ways to mitigate such delay.

The bill provides for the police advisory list and the police barred list, which will help in capturing and sharing information about former police constables who have, or who are suspected of having, engaged in serious misconduct. That will support police vetting across the United Kingdom.

There is also provision to remove the requirement for the SPA to determine senior officer misconduct cases, which will pave the way for an independent panel to determine them. That will address any concerns about perceived proximity between the authority and senior officers and will strengthen the independence of proceedings.

The primary purpose of the PIRC is to increase public confidence in policing through independent scrutiny of Police Scotland’s actions. As Dame Elish said, the organisation’s higher purpose is to be a body that people can go to when they are dissatisfied or do not have trust and confidence in the police. The bill adds a suite of new powers for the PIRC that will strengthen independent investigation and oversight of the police complaints system. It extends the ability of the PIRC to investigate offences where it is suspected that the offence was committed by a person who was or is serving with the police, regardless of whether they were on or off duty at the time. That will avoid the police investigating someone when there could be concerns that the investigator has a connection with them.

The bill puts beyond doubt the PIRC’s power to review complaints made by persons serving with the police. Police officers and staff who experience poor service will have the ability to request a complaint-handling review by the PIRC, or to request that the PIRC call in their complaint. That gives police officers and staff an external body to go to if they are dissatisfied with the way in which their complaint was handled.

The PIRC already has the ability to make recommendations to Police Scotland regarding the handling of individual complaints, but the bill will put that into statute, alongside requirements for the SPA or the chief constable to respond to the recommendations made. The bill provides the PIRC with a power to decide to take over consideration of complaints. That will strengthen the role of the PIRC, enabling faster resolution and greater scrutiny of Police Scotland and the SPA’s complaint handling. In turn, that will provide reassurance that there is an independent oversight body if the complaint in question has not been properly considered.

I very much welcome the committee’s recommendation that the bill should be amended to provide for an expectation that the PIRC will publish the responses of Police Scotland and the SPA to PIRC recommendations, unless there are operational reasons not to do so. I can confirm that I will lodge a stage 2 amendment to address that.

The bill gives the PIRC the duty to audit the handling of whistleblowing complaints to improve how public interest matters of that sort are investigated. That will encourage people to speak up when they see wrongdoing, and it provides an opportunity for Police Scotland and the SPA to learn and to address the issues raised. The bill also gives the PIRC new functions for investigating serious incidents or criminal offences in Scotland that involve constables from forces outside Scotland. That will help provide a basis for discussions to put in place reciprocal powers for other UK jurisdictions.

In order to support Police Scotland to improve, the bill will provide the PIRC with a specific new power to review a policy or practice of the SPA or Police Scotland. That new power could be used when the PIRC becomes aware of a trend, theme or practice emerging in the discharge of its other statutory functions. The bill also enables regulations to be made to allow the PIRC direct access to Police Scotland’s complaints database independently and remotely, with the intention of improving transparency and public confidence in the system.

The bill introduces a statutory advisory board for the PIRC on governance and administrative matters. The governance design will ensure the commissioner’s operational independence and decision-making autonomy.

I again thank the Criminal Justice Committee for its support for the general principles of the bill, which will make improvements to policing. I very much look forward to the debate and to members’ contributions.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-14398, in the name of Angela Constance, on the Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill at s...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs (Angela Constance) SNP
I am pleased to open the debate on the general principles of the Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill. I thank the Criminal Justice Committe...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
My understanding of the duty of candour is that the individual duty currently applies to the office of constable and the organisational duty will apply to th...
Angela Constance SNP
Very clear responsibilities are laid on the chief constable via the 2020 legislation in that the primary focus for holding the chief constable to account is ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Audrey Nicoll to speak on behalf of the Criminal Justice Committee. 14:43
Audrey Nicoll (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to speak on behalf of the Criminal Justice Committee. As ever, the committee is very grateful to our clerking team, the Scottish Parliament info...
Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I, too, thank the committee clerks for the incredible work that they do on our behalf. Scotland’s police officers are true heroes. They serve the public wit...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Scottish Labour welcomes the opportunity to discuss the main provisions in the bill and how we can ensure the highest standards of conduct in the police serv...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
On behalf of the Scottish Greens, I welcome the bill and the reforms that it contains. Those reforms, as we have already heard, represent a further step in t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
We move to the open debate, with back-bench speeches of around six minutes. I advise members that we have some time in hand, so if members wish to seek to ma...
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
As a member of the Criminal Justice Committee, I welcome the chance to speak in today’s important debate. The bill has been drafted using the recommendations...
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (Con) Con
The words “ethics, conduct and scrutiny” are in the title of the bill, and there are few places in public life where those words are as important as they are...
Angela Constance SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Jamie Greene Con
Yes, I will in a minute, but I want to make some progress first, because I want to make a wider point. It is very difficult to legislate in such areas becau...
Fulton MacGregor (Coatbridge and Chryston) (SNP) SNP
Following on from what Jamie Greene said, I say that I think that all of us in Parliament can be proud that we live in a country that abides by the principle...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I start by thanking the Criminal Justice Committee for its work on the bill and for the thorough report that it has produced. Although the committee has back...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
I call Jackie Dunbar, to be followed by Alexander Stewart. You have a generous six minutes, Ms Dunbar. 15:45
Jackie Dunbar (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP) SNP
As a substitute member of the Criminal Justice Committee, I am pleased to take part in the debate. As the bill that is before us is about policing, I have be...
Alexander Stewart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in this stage 1 debate on the Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill. Scotland’s brave police offi...
Ben Macpherson (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (SNP) SNP
As a new member of the Criminal Justice Committee and as a constituency MSP, I am pleased to speak in today’s important debate on the Police (Ethics, Conduct...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
It is a pleasure to follow Ben Macpherson, and I echo his comments about the move from a voluntary code to a statutory code. I will use the relatively short...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Before I call the final speaker in the open debate, I give a reminder that all members who have participated in the debate should be in the chamber for the c...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
I, too, congratulate the Criminal Justice Committee on its report. At this stage of the debate, much has been said, so I apologise in advance for revisiting ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We move to the closing speeches. 16:15
Maggie Chapman Green
I thank colleagues for their contributions to the debate. As someone who does not sit on the Criminal Justice Committee but follows its work from the outside...
Katy Clark (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
As has been said, the bill comes before us as a result of the Angiolini review. The Criminal Justice Committee heard evidence from a number of witnesses who ...
Sharon Dowey (South Scotland) (Con) Con
As a member of the Criminal Justice Committee, which is considering the bill, I have been involved in scrutinising it for some time. I take the opportunity t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, Ms Dowey. I call Angela Constance. Cabinet secretary, you have a very generous 10 minutes. 16:36
Angela Constance SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. It is very unusual for you to say that to me. All that I can say in return is, “Be careful what you wish for.” I start by than...
Pauline McNeill Lab
I thank the cabinet secretary for clarifying that. As we will head into stage 2 shortly after stage 1, I ask her whether she will take cognisance of somethin...