Holyrood, made browsable

Hansard

Every contribution to the Official Report — chamber and committee — searchable in one place. Pulled from data.parliament.scot, indexed for full-text search, linked through to every MSP.

129
Current MSPs
415
MSPs ever elected
14
Parties on record
2,095,827
Hansard contributions
1999–2026
Coverage span
Official Report

Search Hansard contributions

Clear
Showing 0 of 2,095,827 contributions in session S6, 11 May 2026 – 10 Jun 2026. Latest 30 days: 2,655. Coverage: 12 May 1999 — 09 Jun 2026.

No contributions match those filters.

← Back to list
Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 31 October 2024

31 Oct 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape
Chapman, Maggie Green North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

I thank Martin Whitfield for that intervention. I do not know whether he is referring to operational challenges, but those are not within our remit. Our remit is to provide the budgetary requirements and the governance scaffolding for each office-holder.

With regard to challenges around those governance structures, as we see an increasing number of office-holder posts being enacted by this Parliament, we ask, as we did during the Finance and Public Administration Committee’s evidence session, whether we have the proper capacity to carry out that role absolutely effectively. We carry out that role as best we can, but there are questions of capacity involved.

As a result of the shared services initiative, four office-holders are now co-located at Bridgeside house in Edinburgh, and there will soon be a fifth office-holder located there, when the patient safety commissioner for Scotland is recruited. That has resulted in accommodation savings. In addition, the Scottish Public Services Ombudsman provides back-office services to the other office-holders, including human resources and finance services.

The corporate body meets with the office-holders at least annually and officials in office-holder services meet with the office-holders and their staff much more regularly and frequently to share information and to ensure that there are no governance issues.

Over the past few years, particularly with the mention of proposals for up to an additional six new office-holders, the corporate body has raised concerns with Scottish ministers and the Finance and Public Administration Committee, and we are therefore grateful to the committee for holding an inquiry into the office-holder landscape.

I should make it clear that the SPCB does not take a view on whether a new office-holder should be established; that is rightly for the Parliament to determine. However, we have a vested interest, given how that would impact on our workload, our overall budget and the workload of the official whose job it is to liaise with the office-holders.

In 2009, when the Review of SPCB Supported Bodies Committee was established, the then SPCB brought forward a recommendation to merge the then six bodies into three bodies—a complaints and standards body, a human rights body and an information body. The proposal was about merging bodies with no loss of functions. However, instead of the six bodies each having its own back-office support, for example, there would have been a maximum of three back offices—and with the shared services agenda, there could have been even fewer. Two underlying principles drove those proposals: making access as simple as possible for the users of the services—in essence by providing a streamlined one-stop-shop approach—and achieving public services that provide the best value for money.

The then SPCB understood that it was a bold proposal and that not everyone would support it. However, the thinking behind the suggestion was that grouping bodies by synergies of their functions would lead to a more streamlined structure, provide greater opportunities to share services, especially if the bodies were co-located, and make it easier for the public to gain access to the office-holders through a single point of contact.

In addition, in proposing those three bodies, the then SPCB felt that its approach was consistent with the recommendations of the then Finance Committee, which had undertaken an inquiry into the accountability and governance of office-holders. It recommended that, in establishing new bodies, the first test should be that bodies with similar roles and responsibilities should be amalgamated wherever possible; that the potential to pool the resources of existing bodies, for example by sharing staff, should be considered wherever possible; and that unnecessary remit overlaps should be dealt with by removing responsibility from one of the bodies involved and adjusting budgets accordingly.

If the corporate body’s proposals had been pursued, it is unlikely that a number of the stand-alone office-holders that have since been proposed would be necessary, as there would have been an established body to which a specific cause could have been referred, which would have avoided the need to create a new position and the resulting additional governance structures and costs.

I turn to the Finance and Public Administration Committee’s report. The corporate body very much welcomes its findings and recommendations. We support the aim of bringing more coherence and structure to the landscape, as well as greater accountability, better value for money and enhanced scrutiny of performance.

The committee recommended to the SPCB three improvements to the current system, and we have written to the committee to confirm that we will shortly look at ways of further promoting our shared services agenda and will explore ways of increasing transparency in our governance and oversight arrangements. In consultation with the Conveners Group, we will consider whether improvements can be made to the written agreement between the corporate body and the Conveners Group, which sets out a robust governance role for the SPCB and promotes effective scrutiny by committees of how the office-holders carry out their functions.

I welcome the debate, and the corporate body stands ready to contribute to any on-going work on the issue.

15:17  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-15086, in the name of Kenneth Gibson, on behalf of the Finance and Public Administration Committee, on Sc...
Michael Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
In the absence of the convener, and as deputy convener, I am opening today’s debate on behalf of the Finance and Public Administration Committee on our “Repo...
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
Does that mean that the member believes that the commissioner in the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill should be taken out and that we s...
Michael Marra Lab
That is not a position that the committee has taken, and it is not contained in the recommendations of the report. The recommendations of the report, which I...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Does the member acknowledge that a range of different commissioners are being proposed? If he looked at the proposals for a future generations commissioner a...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I ask members who are making an intervention to press their intervention buttons. I can give you the time back for those interventions, Mr Marra.
Michael Marra Lab
Thank you, Presiding Officer. The committee would certainly recognise that a wide range of different commissioners with different purposes is being proposed...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call Ivan McKee to speak to and move amendment S6M-15086.3. 14:59
The Minister for Public Finance (Ivan McKee) SNP
I thank the Finance and Public Administration Committee for bringing this important issue to the chamber and for its excellent report on the commissioner lan...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
In relation to bills that propose a future commissioner, the Scottish Government’s amendment uses the phrase “been introduced”. Is the Government’s definitio...
Ivan McKee SNP
I will come on to talk about that point, but we have identified that it is for Parliament and its committees to take a view, in the context of the discussion...
Michelle Thomson (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP
The minister will note that the committee recommended that the ministerial control framework should be published. Is the Government willing to do that?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you the time back, minister.
Ivan McKee SNP
We have already sent the ministerial control framework to the committee, so it should be in receipt of it. It is worth emphasising the point about the wider...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call Maggie Chapman to speak on behalf of the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body. 15:08
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
I speak in the debate as a member of the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body. I begin by thanking the Finance and Public Administration Committee for und...
Martin Whitfield Lab
I am grateful to Maggie Chapman for taking an intervention. Can she confirm whether the SPCB has always been comfortable with some of the challenges, particu...
Maggie Chapman Green
I thank Martin Whitfield for that intervention. I do not know whether he is referring to operational challenges, but those are not within our remit. Our remi...
Craig Hoy (South Scotland) (Con) Con
On behalf of the Scottish Conservatives, I welcome the Finance and Public Administration Committee’s report and offer my thanks to the committee for carrying...
Michelle Thomson SNP
Does Mr Hoy agree that the addition of scrutiny of public administration to the finance brief for the first time in this place has been very worth while and ...
Craig Hoy Con
Absolutely. One of the things that Government does not do often enough is look at Government itself. Organisations in the corporate environment do that each ...
Martin Whitfield Lab
Is it Craig Hoy’s understanding that “introduced” means the same as it does in standing orders? In other words, bills that the Government has introduced to P...
Craig Hoy Con
I heard what the minister said about that and Liz Smith will address that point on behalf of my party. Regardless of the interpretation of either the amendm...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (Ind) Ind
Will the member accept an intervention?
Craig Hoy Con
I do not have time, unless I can get some time back.
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
You can get the time back, Mr Hoy.
John Mason Ind
Does the member agree that there could also be an issue with groups that are already stronger in society demanding a commissioner, whereas weaker groups with...
Craig Hoy Con
The member takes me to my next point, which is that there are already strong channels through which organisations can communicate with the Scottish Parliamen...
Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Craig Hoy has made the point that all those third sector organisations and charities have an appropriate forum in which to raise their concerns. If that is t...
Craig Hoy Con
There is a difference between giving somebody a voice and the person who is listening to that voice responding to it. When I was shadow minister for social ...