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Meeting of the Parliament 30 October 2024

30 Oct 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Schools (Funding)
Kerr, Stephen Con Central Scotland Watch on SPTV

The whole problem with the £145 million is that there is, frankly, no specific agreement about how that money will be spent. I have asked that question a hundred times. I have asked to see the documentation that goes with the agreement on the £145 million, but it has never been produced, because it does not exist.

I will use my time to address the impending crisis in the Falkirk Council area. The council is proposing to cut the school week due to SNP funding cuts, which would mean less time in the classroom for children to learn. It is axiomatic that the more time that children spend learning in the classroom, the better it is. Falkirk Council’s proposals would remove the equivalent of a full year’s teaching from children and young people, and I am completely opposed to those proposals, as are many parents and pupils across Falkirk who have been contacting me and pressing the issue. It is an urgent issue for them and it is causing great anxiety. Falkirk Council needs to drop that ridiculous plan.

If we sit here long enough and listen to Government ministers going through their register of excuses, we find a theme. It goes like this: “That has nothing to do with us. These matters are in the hands of local authorities. There would be outrage if we did anything.” That is a typical response from members on the Government front bench. On this issue, that response is especially disingenuous because the reason why councils such as Falkirk are thinking of taking the drastic step of cutting the school week is that they have not been properly funded by the SNP Government for more than a decade. We are now in the 18th year of an SNP Government, so the SNP can no longer pass the buck for the mess that it has created. It must take responsibility.

Given what we have put the children and young people of Scotland through over the past few years, the last thing that we should be doing is reducing the school week. We should not be cutting back on their education; we should be investing in their education. We should not be cutting teacher numbers or sticking newly qualified teachers on disposable temporary contracts; we should be reducing classroom sizes and widening subject choice. We should be empowering school leaders, but, given the cabinet secretary’s poor track record, I fear that nothing will change. Willie Rennie is right—the cabinet secretary is living in a parallel universe, not in the real world.

Barely a few weeks ago, we passed motions that called on the Government to reverse its position on a couple of issues, including one related to education. The SNP ministers have just ignored the passing of those motions. That is why, when I saw the amendment in the cabinet secretary’s name, I burst out laughing. The amendment refers to a vote of this Parliament, but those ministers could not care less about the votes of this Parliament. Such is the contempt that the SNP has for this Parliament, and such is the general apathy towards the proceedings of this Parliament, that they calculate that they can get away with it. So, here we are again, debating Scottish education thanks to a Scottish Conservative motion.

There is a reason why the Scottish Conservatives are passionate about education and why we feel so strongly that the burden of Government spending cuts should never fall on classrooms. We believe in creating greater equality of opportunity right across our country, and education and skills training are the golden ticket to accessing a lifetime of opportunity. If it really needs to be explained to members of the SNP Government how awful the consequences of cutting the school week would be for children and young people, their prospects and their families, the ministers frankly do not deserve to sit where they sit a day longer. They are failing Scotland, they are failing our children and young people and their futures, and they are failing the future of Scotland. The cabinet secretary should desist from the sort of grandstanding and posturing that we have heard from her in the debate. It is writ large in her amendment.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-15060, in the name of Miles Briggs, on funding for teachers and schools in Scotland. I invite members who...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
Deputy Presiding Officer, from what you have just said, I think that you would make a good headteacher. I thank my Scottish Conservative colleagues, Liam Ke...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, Mr Briggs. That was exemplary time keeping to kick us off. 15:57
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (Jenny Gilruth) SNP
I take this opportunity to welcome Miles Briggs to his new position in education. I know that he cares passionately about improving outcomes for Scotland’s c...
Miles Briggs Con
Dr Sue Ellis, a former professor of education at the University of Strathclyde, has stated that councils are “stuck between a rock and a hard place”, and I...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I would not agree. A number of local authorities have managed to maintain teacher numbers, and I would like to give them the funding right now. I would like ...
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I have no time in hand, unfortunately. As education secretary, I will fervently defend that policy. I am absolutely clear that it will be much more difficul...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to open the debate for Scottish Labour and to welcome Miles Briggs to his new role. Teachers are the beating heart of our education system. They...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
Do I have any time in hand, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Not very much.
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I will take a brief intervention.
Jenny Gilruth SNP
Does the member at least acknowledge that, in the past year alone, the number of additional learning support assistants has increased by 725, specifically be...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
As the cabinet secretary knows, the situation for pupils with additional support needs in Scotland is, as the Education, Children and Young People Committee ...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
I was proud of the £145 million that was included in the budget when the Greens joined the Government in 2021. It was the most significant request that we ma...
Stephen Kerr Con
Will the member give way?
Ross Greer Green
No, I am afraid not; I do not have time. We need to rethink that approach; £145 million of public money was spent with the intention of resulting in more te...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
I do not know what kind of crazy logic leads to the conclusion that cutting £145.5 million from local authority budgets will protect teacher numbers. Local a...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I find it hard to follow Mr Rennie’s logic. As we have heard today, we have had two years of consecutive reductions in teacher numbers, but the Government ha...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Briefly, cabinet secretary—
Jenny Gilruth SNP
That is exactly what I have been doing since February to get funding out the door. Local authorities will not agree to it. Some of them want the funding, and...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Briefly—
Jenny Gilruth SNP
Is that a position that Mr Rennie supports?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you some of the time back, Mr Rennie.
Willie Rennie LD
The Scottish Government is working on a misunderstanding. The education secretary seems to think that local authorities, including SNP-run Glasgow City Counc...
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
The whole problem with the £145 million is that there is, frankly, no specific agreement about how that money will be spent. I have asked that question a hun...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
Look in the mirror!
Stephen Kerr Con
You can hold up a mirror, if you like.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to conclude, Mr Kerr.