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Meeting of the Parliament 09 October 2024

09 Oct 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Bus Travel (Asylum Seekers)
Doris, Bob SNP Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn Watch on SPTV

When the topic was debated in the Scottish Parliament last October, I said that we must find a way to deliver free bus travel to all asylum seekers. I also said that I had been pleased to work in partnership with colleagues, particularly Paul Sweeney and Mark Ruskell, on a cross-party basis. I know that many others are involved. I put on record that there were also sympathetic voices, at that stage, from the Conservative Party. Members should reflect on Jackson Carlaw’s comments during the debate at that time. That partnership work has been a key strength of the campaign for free bus travel, and that remains the case.

During that debate, I also paid tribute to the voices network, and Maryhill Integration Network, which is based in my constituency, for their dedication and tenacity in leading the campaign, and I do so again this afternoon.

That begs the question: what has changed since that debate? Clearly, the Scottish Government’s fiscal position has been deeply undermined by the UK Government’s real-terms cuts to the Scottish budget. However, I do not wish to dwell on that this afternoon, because I wish to seek and build consensus. Indeed, we must build consensus, given the lived experience of many of our asylum-seeking communities, which Maggie Chapman outlined eloquently in her opening speech.

I hope that we can agree that one of the most compelling reasons for delivering free bus travel is the incredibly low level of support that the UK Home Office makes available to asylum seekers, while simultaneously denying them the right to work.

The delivery of a free bus travel scheme almost feels like an exercise—at least in part—in mitigating another UK Government policy that is damaging to a particularly vulnerable group in society. We have already heard that asylum seekers are living on £7 a day for food, travel, clothes and other basic essentials. If board is provided, they have £8.86 a week to live on. A bus day ticket in Glasgow costs £5.60. Mr Harvie made that point, too.

The impact on asylum-seeking individuals and families is clear. What difference would free bus provision make? I have previously mentioned the success of the Refugee Survival Trust’s asylum seeker free bus travel pilot, which supported asylum seekers to attend appointments related to their asylum cases and health-related appointments. It also allowed them to stay in contact with family, with friends and with support networks. It vastly improved their mental health and tackled social isolation. It was also advantageous to the Scottish and UK states, because the onward issues that would be created by not nurturing mental health and by tackling social isolation would be costs in themselves. However, it is just the right thing to do.

This afternoon, the Green’s motion reasserts the clear policy commitment to deliver free bus travel for asylum seekers, and the Scottish Government amendment will ensure that we work together not only to identify how it will be funded, but to tackle the underlying issue of insufficiency of funds for asylum seekers and, frankly, our local authorities.

I very much hope that the UK Labour Government will step up and ensure that the Home Office provides adequate support in a way that the previous UK Government simply did not. That said, let us work together to secure the funding and delivery of the policy intent. I believe that the political will to do so will be there across Parliament if we work together. That is the challenge for all of us. We have to identify not just the cash, but how to deliver the policy.

In the brief time that I have left, I say that I think that the estimated cost of £2 million is an overestimation. I was looking at the funds. The cabinet secretary is shaking her head, but I will compare some statistics in relation to this. I think that £189.5 million is used for the under-22s travel scheme, to which about 752,000 youngsters have signed up, so for 5,000 asylum seekers, that figure—

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-14823, in the name of Maggie Chapman, on free bus travel for asylum seekers. I invite members who wish to...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
Imagine a bus stop where a line of people is waiting. They are accustomed to waiting. They have all been waiting for more than a year for a decision on their...
The Cabinet Secretary for Transport (Fiona Hyslop) SNP
I take the opportunity to welcome Sue Webber and Claire Baker to their new positions. I hope that everyone in the chamber would support the idea that people...
Maggie Chapman Green
I am sure that the cabinet secretary will be aware that, last year, prior to the agreed money, a pilot in Glasgow and work in Aberdeen had been delivering fr...
Fiona Hyslop SNP
The experiences helped with my decision and position when I set out the Government’s position a year ago in the debate to which Maggie Chapman referred. I ha...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Fiona Hyslop SNP
I need to move on, please. Meanwhile, the Scottish Government remains firmly committed to supporting people seeking asylum, refugees and communities through...
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
Last November, the then First Minister, Humza Yousaf, confirmed the free bus travel for asylum seekers scheme and said that £2 million had been set aside to ...
Maggie Chapman Green
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Sue Webber Con
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Gillian Mackay (Central Scotland) (Green) Green
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Sue Webber Con
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Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to open the debate, and I look forward to working with colleagues across the chamber. I recognise the contribution of Alex Rowley, who was previ...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
Unlike Sue Webber, I think that this is a very apposite motion to bring to Parliament, and I congratulate the Greens and Maggie Chapman for so doing. First ...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
Would Mr Cole-Hamilton like to reflect on Sue Webber’s comments, which were inherently divisive and pitted the needs of pensioners in this country against pe...
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Mr Cole-Hamilton, you are over your time. You need to conclude, please.
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
I will draw my speech to a conclusion. I absolutely support the Greens’ motion and thank the party for securing it for debate.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We now move to the open debate. 16:27
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
It is a pleasure to follow that speech and I congratulate Alex Cole-Hamilton for many of the points that he made. I begin by putting on record my thanks to ...
Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP
When the topic was debated in the Scottish Parliament last October, I said that we must find a way to deliver free bus travel to all asylum seekers. I also s...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
On a procedural point, Mr Doris, you will need to bring your remarks to a close, please.
Bob Doris SNP
The point is that we come together as a Parliament, and we agree on the matter. 16:36
Douglas Ross (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I, too, welcome Sue Webber to her new role. We have heard contrasting views in the debate today, but all of us want to see support for people locally who ar...
Gillian Mackay Green
Made a request to intervene.
Douglas Ross Con
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Gillian Mackay Green
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you. The intervention was a bit long.
Douglas Ross Con
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Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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