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Meeting of the Parliament 08 October 2024

08 Oct 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Challenge Poverty Week

—to the high-tax, low-ambition, Holyrood consensus. We will stand up for everyone who wants their politicians to show a bit of common sense for a change. We will give people the opportunities to get themselves out of poverty, because we believe in their potential.

We believe that, given the chance, people will work their way up and find a way to succeed. All that they need is opportunity, which is what this Parliament often fails to deliver. It speaks only of giving people a hand out and not a hand up. It spends all its time talking about the problems, not providing the solutions to fix them.

There is crushing poverty out there in the real world that stops Scots from getting ahead, and it is not helped by the poverty of opportunity on their doorstep—the poverty of opportunity that this Parliament fails to tackle. It does not create the new jobs that are needed to give people a chance. It has not looked after Scotland’s education system. It has not improved healthcare. Life expectancy is falling under the SNP Government.

The Parliament has become detached from the bread-and-butter issues that people are most concerned about. All those things are barriers to people fulfilling their potential in life. I want to knock them down. I want to support people’s aspirations, not block them. Only if we achieve that will we finally make progress on tackling the scourge of poverty. That will be my party’s focus, and I believe that it should be what this Parliament as a whole spends most of its time and energy on.

I urge all parties to support my common-sense amendment. Either way, my party intends to support the Government’s motion while recognising that it cannot absolve itself of responsibility for the winter fuel payment cut.

I move amendment S6M-14820.1, to leave out from “must” to end and insert:

“and the Scottish Government must both reverse the introduction of means testing for the Winter Fuel Payment; notes that the Scottish National Party administration has failed to reduce poverty during its 17 years in power; recognises that the best way to tackle poverty is to provide high-quality healthcare and educational and employment opportunities for people across Scotland, with appropriate levels of housing, and condemns the Scottish Government’s failure to achieve any of these objectives.”

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The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-14820, in the name of John Swinney, on challenge poverty week. I would be grateful if members who wish to...
The First Minister (John Swinney) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to open a debate in Parliament during challenge poverty week. As Parliament will know, on 29 July, the United Kingdom Government an...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
Scottish National Party ministers have options, however. One such option would be to defer the block grant adjustment on the winter fuel payment this year so...
The First Minister SNP
The issue and the challenge with all that is that it would require an entire system to be put in place to deal with the mess that has been created by a Unite...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
The First Minister is right to focus on fuel poverty as we come into winter, and we have seen the energy cap rise. However, does he recognise that the roll-o...
The First Minister SNP
It is vital that those programmes have the necessary impetus to take account of the challenges that we face in relation to the equipping of homes for the cha...
Paul O’Kane (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Much of what the First Minister says about what is required to be done is, of course, welcome. He will hear us on this side of the chamber wishing to collabo...
The First Minister SNP
The problem with the point that Mr O’Kane puts to me is that we have not yet seen that consequential funding. The problem that the Government has to wrestle ...
Paul O’Kane Lab
Will the First Minister take an intervention?
The First Minister SNP
If Mr O’Kane will forgive me, I had better begin to draw my remarks to a conclusion. We make those investments because they are the right thing to do and be...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Russell Findlay to speak to and move amendment S6M-14820.1. You have up to 11 minutes, Mr Findlay. 14:37
Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con
Poverty is unjust. It causes misery, crime, illness and premature death. In many parts of Scotland, it has become deep rooted, trapping generation after gene...
Paul O’Kane Lab
I am listening aghast to Russell Findlay’s cognitive dissonance, given the fact that his Government salted the earth and left the public finances in an appal...
Douglas Lumsden (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
It is your Government!
The Presiding Officer NPA
Let us hear Mr O’Kane.
Paul O’Kane Lab
It is time that Russell Findlay apologised for poverty in this country instead of standing there and excusing it.
Russell Findlay Con
What an absolute brass neck. Mr O’Kane should apologise to the pensioners of Scotland for taking their winter fuel payments from them. From 1994 to 1997, 14...
The First Minister SNP
Mr Findlay has quoted figures up until 2023. Does he believe that the Conservative Government between 2010 and 2023 contributed in any way to the increase in...
Russell Findlay Con
John Swinney has been a member of the Scottish Government for 16 of the past 17 years. That Government is in receipt of the largest-ever block grant but is u...
The Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice (Shirley-Anne Somerville) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Russell Findlay Con
I need to make some headway. I do not have much time. Throughout those 25 years, successive Labour and SNP Governments have pledged to tackle poverty. Mr Sw...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Russell Findlay Con
I do not know whether I will get any time back.
The Presiding Officer NPA
We have a little time in hand, Mr Findlay.
Russell Findlay Con
Okay.
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
I wonder whether the member could tell us: who does he plan to cut benefits from—the poorest, the disabled, or carers? Interruption.
The Presiding Officer NPA
Let us hear one another.
Russell Findlay Con
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The Presiding Officer NPA
Let us hear Mr Findlay.
Russell Findlay Con
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