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Meeting of the Parliament 02 October 2024

02 Oct 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Housing Emergency

I welcome the debate. First, I will address one of Mr Sarwar’s main points. He talked about new ideas, but he did not have any new ideas whatsoever, and he did not talk about how to pay for them, which is fundamental. If the member is going to talk about new ideas, he should bring them forward, as well as ideas for how we should pay for them in the budget. I am happy to have discussions with the member or Mr Griffin on that point.

There has been a great deal of activity since the previous debate on housing in May, in recognition of the challenges that our housing sector faces. I continue to take full responsibility for the Government’s response and I will not shy away from that. That is why I was pleased to update the Parliament on some of the activity in my statement yesterday, including the announcement of new investment of £22 million for affordable housing. I do not doubt in any way, shape or form that the challenges that we face are significant, but we are responding with a clear and urgent plan across three pillars: first, the need for high quality, permanent homes; secondly, ensuring that we have the right homes in the right places; and thirdly, addressing homelessness.

I will talk about the delivery of affordable housing. Of course, the cornerstone of our efforts is our commitment to deliver 110,000 affordable homes by 2032, with 70 per cent of those for social rent. That is a direct response to the growing demand for secure and affordable housing.

Achieving the target was made more difficult by rising inflation and by Brexit, which has been mentioned. I know that the member is talking about a reset for Brexit, but we need to rejoin the European Union to make sure that we get those benefits. Labour will not do that—it has already come out and said that. A reset will not be enough.

That has driven up the cost of materials. If the member speaks to developers, they will tell him that. They are still facing the same problems, but those problems are getting worse, and Brexit has an impact on that.

Although I recognise that Opposition members might prefer us not to draw attention to the impact of Tory or Labour UK Government decisions, there is an area that the UK Government must take responsibility for, which I will come on to in a little second.

There is no hiding the serious impact that those aspects are having on housing and homelessness levels not just in Scotland but across the UK. Some of the biggest issues in that regard are Brexit, the cost of living and inflation. In fact, Barratt Developments, which is the biggest home builder in the UK, said that Brexit and the cost of living were the main reasons why its home starts and completions had dropped.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-14719, in the name of Anas Sarwar, on the housing emergency. I invite members who wish to speak in the de...
Anas Sarwar (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Scotland is in the midst of a housing crisis the likes of which we have never seen before. After repeated calls, for months, for a housing emergency to be de...
Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Anas Sarwar Lab
Yes.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
From which member is Mr Sarwar taking an intervention?
Anas Sarwar Lab
Keith Brown.
Christine Grahame SNP
Oh!
Keith Brown SNP
Good choice. Mr Sarwar will understand that part of what constitutes affordability—as well as rent and mortgage costs—is energy costs, which increased by 10 ...
Anas Sarwar Lab
I remind Mr Brown that the Office of Gas and Electricity Markets sets energy pricing in the country. That is why we have to reform our energy market, and tha...
Christine Grahame SNP
I certainly hope so. Does the member agree with me that the impact of Brexit on construction costs and on the availability of construction workers has had an...
Anas Sarwar Lab
Absolutely. That is why we have to reset the relationship with the European Union and fix the mess that is Brexit, which was left by the previous Tory Govern...
The Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice (Shirley-Anne Somerville) SNP
I would like to clarify something with Anas Sarwar—would he agree with me that the £90 million that we currently spend as a Government to mitigate the effect...
Anas Sarwar Lab
First, I will need to educate the cabinet secretary on the difference between revenue and capital, because she clearly does not understand that. Secondly, we...
The Minister for Employment and Investment (Tom Arthur) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Anas Sarwar Lab
I have taken three or four interventions already. Accepting that the housing emergency exists is only the first step in ending the crisis. We need new ideas...
The Minister for Housing (Paul McLennan) SNP
I welcome the debate. First, I will address one of Mr Sarwar’s main points. He talked about new ideas, but he did not have any new ideas whatsoever, and he d...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
The minister and I have been in the same meetings. Is he seriously telling me that the industry is not naming the Housing (Scotland) Bill as the single bigge...
Paul McLennan SNP
First, I have been in a number of meetings with Daniel Johnson. One of the key things that we have said is that we would introduce amendments to the bill, an...
Craig Hoy (South Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the minister will take an intervention?
Paul McLennan SNP
I will.
Craig Hoy Con
The minister said that he is taking the issue seriously and that he is making progress, yet, in his constituency, 353 people were in temporary accommodation ...
Paul McLennan SNP
I am not going to take any lessons in financial management from the member. The biggest cut that we had last year was a 9 per cent capital cut from the UK Go...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Will the minister take an intervention?
Ben Macpherson (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (SNP) SNP
Will the minister give way?
Paul McLennan SNP
I have already taken a number of interventions, so I am struggling for time. The Government’s actions on homelessness are consistently undermined when we ar...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you, minister. I call Miles Briggs to speak to and move amendment S6M-14719.2. 15:16
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
I thank the Labour Party for using its debating time to debate the motion on the housing emergency. I also thank the organisations that have provided helpful...
Paul McLennan SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Miles Briggs Con
I will if I can get some time back.