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Meeting of the Parliament 25 September 2024

25 Sep 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Business Motions
Hepburn, Jamie SNP Cumbernauld and Kilsyth Watch on SPTV

First, I thank the Presiding Officer for reminding members that I speak on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau. The business motion represents the bureau’s position, not just mine.

The Climate Change (Scotland) Act 2009, unless or until it is changed, requires the Government to introduce a draft climate change plan by 22 November this year to set out policies and proposals for meeting our emissions reduction targets. The Climate Change Committee has given conclusive advice that the 2030 target of 75 per cent emissions reductions that Parliament set in 2019 on a cross-party basis is out of reach. Therefore, we must adjust our target framework before we can introduce a credible climate change plan. To ensure that we are not in breach of legal obligations, we need to ensure that the bill that is before Parliament is enforced by 22 November to make the necessary changes to the law as it stands.

As Parliament is aware, the Scotland Act 1998 provides a four-week period after any bill is passed by the Scottish Parliament for the United Kingdom, the Scottish law officers and the Secretary of State for Scotland to consider that bill. The Presiding Officer cannot present a bill for royal assent until after that period has concluded. The period of time to obtain royal assent after that period is outwith the Government’s control but takes on average about one and a half weeks, which means that there is a period of about five and a half weeks after stage 3 before a bill can receive royal assent.

Although in exceptional circumstances the Government can ask the law officers and the secretary of state to agree to expedite their post-stage 3 considerations and advise the Presiding Officer that they do not intend to take any action to prohibit the Presiding Officer from seeking royal assent, the law officers and the UK Government cannot, of course, be compelled to do so. Therefore, seeking to agree a timetable that does not allow—

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is consideration of business motion S6M-14652, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau, on the timetabl...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Graham Simpson to speak to and move amendment S6M-14652.1. 16:50
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Moving an amendment to the business motion is not something that I do lightly, but I do so because I passionately believe in Parliament giving its members am...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am grateful to Graham Simpson for taking an intervention. Of course, it is not for the committee to decide on stage 3—that is for the Parliament to do. How...
Graham Simpson Con
I am very pleased to hear that. Mr Whitfield is absolutely right, because in no one’s world—not even the minister’s, if he is honest about it—is two days eno...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I invite Jamie Hepburn to respond on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau. 16:54
The Minister for Parliamentary Business (Jamie Hepburn) SNP
First, I thank the Presiding Officer for reminding members that I speak on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau. The business motion represents the bureau’s po...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
Will the minister take an intervention?
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I think that it is important that Parliament hears this, after which I will give way to Mr Harvie. Therefore, seeking to agree a timetable that does not all...
Patrick Harvie Green
The minister is aware that Opposition parties on the Parliamentary Bureau understand the need for an expedited process—indeed, we have all acknowledged that ...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
In ordinary circumstances, I would agree with the fundamental points that Patrick Harvie has made. Initially, it was my expectation that we could have worked...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Will the minister take an intervention?
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I will give way in a minute, because I am about to mention the member. Having engaged with its convener, I know that that was not the Net Zero, Energy and T...
Edward Mountain Con
I want to reiterate the timescales to Parliament. I do so as an individual, although I am the convener of the committee. In August 2023, we became aware that...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I will not denigrate the committee. I am very grateful for the time that the convener has given me, and I recognise that the committee has tried to accommoda...
The Presiding Officer NPA
The question is, that amendment S6M-14652.1, in the name of Graham Simpson, which seeks to amend motion S6M-14652, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, on behalf of...
The Presiding Officer NPA
There will be a division. There will be a short suspension to allow members to access the digital voting system. 17:02 Meeting suspended. 17:04 On resuming—
The Presiding Officer NPA
We move to the vote on amendment S6M-14652.1, in the name of Graham Simpson. Members should cast their votes now. The vote is closed.
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. My device was a little unclear as to whether it had refreshed on time. I would have voted for the amendment.
The Presiding Officer NPA
I can confirm that your vote was recorded, Mr Harvie. For Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Balfour, Jeremy (...
The Presiding Officer NPA
The result of the division on amendment S6M-14652.1, in the name of Graham Simpson, is: For 60, Against 60, Abstentions 0. The vote is tied. As is usual whe...
The Presiding Officer NPA
The next question is, that motion S6M-14652, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, on the timetable for consideration of the Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
There will be a division. The vote is closed.
Clare Haughey (Rutherglen) (SNP) SNP
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. It did not look as though my app had connected, but it has now told me that I did vote yes.
The Presiding Officer NPA
Thank you, Ms Haughey. I can confirm that that is the case and that your vote has been recorded. For Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP) Adam, Karen (Banffshire ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
The result of the division on motion S6M-14652, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, is: For 60, Against 61, Abstentions 0. Motion disagreed to.
The Presiding Officer NPA
As the motion has not been agreed to, we currently have no timetable for the bill. There is a scheduled meeting of the Parliamentary Bureau this evening, and...