Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 24 September 2024
24 Sep 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
UK Budget (Scotland’s Priorities)
I have to say that Murdo Fraser standing up and describing things being in free fall is somewhat ironic. I remember that, this time almost exactly two years ago, the thing that was in free fall was UK gilts and that mortgage products were being removed from the market as a direct consequence of the reckless decision made by his Government—the previous Tory Government. So, this is a bit of a strange—[Interruption.] I do not know what the First Minister is saying from his sedentary position, but perhaps we could have a bit more of a constructive debate.
It is a little bit strange to have a debate about a budget five weeks before it is published. I gently point out that, since the general election, the First Minister has met the new Prime Minister, the new Deputy Prime Minister and the new Chancellor of the Exchequer. If the budget was so important, that might have been the appropriate time to raise it.
The serious point is that we have heard much—[Interruption.] I acknowledge the point made by the finance secretary about the need for constructive dialogue
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