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Meeting of the Parliament 11 September 2024

11 Sep 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Rail Fares

The RMT briefing states that it believes that the methodology that the Scottish Government used to evaluate the trial did not look at demand at peak time, which made it difficult to see the true impact of the trial.

The climate will be the biggest loser from the policy reversal. Scottish Liberal Democrats have long campaigned to get cars and lorries off the roads and to move passengers and freight on to our railways as part of a package to tackle the climate crisis. We also championed reforms to ticket incentives and discounts. Rail fares will now revert to the more complicated tiered system, with super-off-peak, off-peak and peak rail fares. If we were to design a ticket pricing system as a barrier to travel on our railways, that is what we would create.

Since the pandemic, more people have been choosing to work flexibly, with a mix of some days working from home and some days commuting. Rail season tickets for two or three days a week would provide flexibility and reflect the new hybrid models of working while saving commuters money. I note the Scottish Government’s 12-month discount on ScotRail season tickets and the new flexipasses that allow commuters to book 12 single journeys for the price of 10. However, those must be simple to use and purchase, with straightforward terms and conditions, to ensure usability and good uptake. We need to foster a culture of sustainable public transport use that is good for purses and the planet.

We need to invest to cut our carbon emissions, whether by investing in public awareness campaigns on discounts and passes, reopening stations, building new lines or adding new stations to existing routes. It is not just railway infrastructure investment that will help to reduce carbon emissions. Ferries to our island and coastal communities need to be sustainable and, dare I say, for some communities, tunnels to reduce emissions would be a sustainable alternative to recurring cycles of ferry replacements.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-14405, in the name of Graham Simpson, on ending peak rail fares on ScotRail trains. I ask members who wis...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Just before Parliament returned from the summer recess, Fiona Hyslop announced that peak fares will be returning to Scotland’s railways. There was no debate—...
The Cabinet Secretary for Transport (Fiona Hyslop) SNP
I point the member, who I am sure is a regular rail user, to the position in his Central Scotland region. Take a rail journey from Airdrie to Edinburgh. If p...
Graham Simpson Con
My fare from East Kilbride to Edinburgh will rocket by 83.8 per cent. That is not a saving. In March, the Associated Society of Locomotive Engineers and Fir...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
It is a pity that the off-peak fares pilot did not create the greater patronage that was expected to cover the costs. Did Mr Simpson take full advantage of ...
Graham Simpson Con
I regularly use the train, and my staff use the train all the time. It is just going to become more expensive for them now. That is a real shame, and Mr Stew...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Fiona Hyslop, the cabinet secretary, to speak to and move amendment S6M-14405.3. 16:11
The Cabinet Secretary for Transport (Fiona Hyslop) SNP
Last October, we introduced the ScotRail peak fares removal pilot, supported by £40 million in Government funding. It was a bold and pioneering initiative, w...
Graham Simpson Con
When the cabinet secretary announced the decision, she admitted that, in some cases, people had saved thousands of pounds through the pilot. Does she agree, ...
Fiona Hyslop SNP
Although it saved many passengers hundreds and, in some cases, thousands of pounds during the period, it primarily benefited existing train passengers and th...
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Fiona Hyslop SNP
I am sorry, but I cannot give way, as I have limited time. I wanted the pilot to succeed, and I am disappointed that it did not. The moderate increase in pa...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Alex Rowley to speak to and move amendment S6M-14405.2. 16:16
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
First, I want to highlight the difference in approach between the Scottish National Party and Scottish Labour on the issue of peak rail fares. The SNP’s view...
Fiona Hyslop SNP
Will the member give way? It is an important point.
Alex Rowley Lab
No. I am sorry, but I have only a few minutes left. During that unprecedented time, rail use increased by 6.8 per cent, which was incredible, given all that...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Mr Rowley, you are over your time.
Alex Rowley Lab
I support the motion. I move amendment S6M-14405.2, to insert at end: “, and agrees that making public transport more accessible, affordable and reliable i...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
I welcome the fact that the Tories have chosen the cream of the crop of Scottish Green policies to champion in the chamber. Whether that is just blatant oppo...
Finlay Carson Con
Will the member give way?
Mark Ruskell Green
Is there time in hand, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
There is no time in hand. It is up to the member whether to take an intervention.
Mark Ruskell Green
I need to progress. I am sorry. Ticket prices for the most popular Edinburgh to Glasgow route will more than double, from £14.90 to a staggering £31.40. Tha...
Beatrice Wishart (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
I welcome the opportunity to speak on behalf of Scottish Liberal Democrats this afternoon. We will support the motion and the Labour amendment, but we will n...
Fiona Hyslop SNP
There were four campaigns during the pilot, with 4 million views on pay television and a radio podcast. People in my town received an A3 fold-out print. Ther...
Beatrice Wishart LD
The RMT briefing states that it believes that the methodology that the Scottish Government used to evaluate the trial did not look at demand at peak time, wh...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate. Back benchers’ speeches should be of up to four minutes. There is no time in hand. 16:29
Craig Hoy (South Scotland) (Con) Con
Despite his authoritarian misrule, Benito Mussolini is credited with making Italy’s trains run on time. In fact, a look back in time reveals that he did not,...
Joe FitzPatrick (Dundee City West) (SNP) SNP
Shameful!
Craig Hoy Con
—smiling for photographers when she proudly opened East Linton station, which has been warmly welcomed and is much needed by the community.