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Meeting of the Parliament 11 September 2024

11 Sep 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Rail Fares

Last October, we introduced the ScotRail peak fares removal pilot, supported by £40 million in Government funding. It was a bold and pioneering initiative, which was only possible due to the Government’s bringing ScotRail under public sector control, which has not been done with railways elsewhere in the UK as yet. We initiated the pilot to achieve two objectives: to encourage more people to choose to travel by train rather than by car, especially at peak commuter times, and to make rail travel more affordable and accessible.

On Tuesday 20 August, Transport Scotland published its full analysis of the pilot. I encourage members to read it if they have not already done so. The analysis shows that, although there was a limited increase in the number of passengers during the pilot, at the ultimate level of 6.8 per cent, the pilot did not achieve its original aim of encouraging a significant modal shift from car to rail. The analysis suggests that around four million extra rail journeys were made during the pilot, two million of which would previously have been made by private car. However, that is in the context of around five billion annual private car journeys in Scotland, and it represents a reduction of less than 0.1 per cent of car-based carbon emissions.

Of the new rail passengers who were identified as switching from other transport modes, 54 per cent had previously used a car as a driver and a third had switched from using a bus. The evidence also suggests that the pilot primarily benefited existing rail users, who tended to be of above-average income.

The First Minister set out the Government’s priorities in his programme for government on 4 September. Due to 14 years of austerity—which was driven by the previous Conservative Westminster Government and is being continued by the current Labour Government—sky-high inflation and the failure of Westminster Governments to increase budgets adequately to address inflation, we have to make difficult decisions to address those circumstances.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-14405, in the name of Graham Simpson, on ending peak rail fares on ScotRail trains. I ask members who wis...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Just before Parliament returned from the summer recess, Fiona Hyslop announced that peak fares will be returning to Scotland’s railways. There was no debate—...
The Cabinet Secretary for Transport (Fiona Hyslop) SNP
I point the member, who I am sure is a regular rail user, to the position in his Central Scotland region. Take a rail journey from Airdrie to Edinburgh. If p...
Graham Simpson Con
My fare from East Kilbride to Edinburgh will rocket by 83.8 per cent. That is not a saving. In March, the Associated Society of Locomotive Engineers and Fir...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
It is a pity that the off-peak fares pilot did not create the greater patronage that was expected to cover the costs. Did Mr Simpson take full advantage of ...
Graham Simpson Con
I regularly use the train, and my staff use the train all the time. It is just going to become more expensive for them now. That is a real shame, and Mr Stew...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Fiona Hyslop, the cabinet secretary, to speak to and move amendment S6M-14405.3. 16:11
The Cabinet Secretary for Transport (Fiona Hyslop) SNP
Last October, we introduced the ScotRail peak fares removal pilot, supported by £40 million in Government funding. It was a bold and pioneering initiative, w...
Graham Simpson Con
When the cabinet secretary announced the decision, she admitted that, in some cases, people had saved thousands of pounds through the pilot. Does she agree, ...
Fiona Hyslop SNP
Although it saved many passengers hundreds and, in some cases, thousands of pounds during the period, it primarily benefited existing train passengers and th...
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Fiona Hyslop SNP
I am sorry, but I cannot give way, as I have limited time. I wanted the pilot to succeed, and I am disappointed that it did not. The moderate increase in pa...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Alex Rowley to speak to and move amendment S6M-14405.2. 16:16
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
First, I want to highlight the difference in approach between the Scottish National Party and Scottish Labour on the issue of peak rail fares. The SNP’s view...
Fiona Hyslop SNP
Will the member give way? It is an important point.
Alex Rowley Lab
No. I am sorry, but I have only a few minutes left. During that unprecedented time, rail use increased by 6.8 per cent, which was incredible, given all that...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Mr Rowley, you are over your time.
Alex Rowley Lab
I support the motion. I move amendment S6M-14405.2, to insert at end: “, and agrees that making public transport more accessible, affordable and reliable i...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
I welcome the fact that the Tories have chosen the cream of the crop of Scottish Green policies to champion in the chamber. Whether that is just blatant oppo...
Finlay Carson Con
Will the member give way?
Mark Ruskell Green
Is there time in hand, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
There is no time in hand. It is up to the member whether to take an intervention.
Mark Ruskell Green
I need to progress. I am sorry. Ticket prices for the most popular Edinburgh to Glasgow route will more than double, from £14.90 to a staggering £31.40. Tha...
Beatrice Wishart (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
I welcome the opportunity to speak on behalf of Scottish Liberal Democrats this afternoon. We will support the motion and the Labour amendment, but we will n...
Fiona Hyslop SNP
There were four campaigns during the pilot, with 4 million views on pay television and a radio podcast. People in my town received an A3 fold-out print. Ther...
Beatrice Wishart LD
The RMT briefing states that it believes that the methodology that the Scottish Government used to evaluate the trial did not look at demand at peak time, wh...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate. Back benchers’ speeches should be of up to four minutes. There is no time in hand. 16:29
Craig Hoy (South Scotland) (Con) Con
Despite his authoritarian misrule, Benito Mussolini is credited with making Italy’s trains run on time. In fact, a look back in time reveals that he did not,...
Joe FitzPatrick (Dundee City West) (SNP) SNP
Shameful!
Craig Hoy Con
—smiling for photographers when she proudly opened East Linton station, which has been warmly welcomed and is much needed by the community.