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Meeting of the Parliament 05 September 2024

05 Sep 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Programme for Government 2024-25 (Eradicating Child Poverty)

I welcome that, and I have been in constant discussion with the Minister for Housing.

We also need to look at the new models that have not been taken forward. For example, during the summer, I met the charity Right There in Glasgow. It works to prevent people from becoming homeless and being separated from their loved ones and it has taken over the leases of properties. Many charities are looking to provide extra-care housing, which would make a huge difference. In the past, councils have used such models, but we have not seen as many of those types of models being used. I hope that a new model can be used, because there should be no homes that sit empty for years on end, as there are in the capital. Perth and Kinross Council should be praised for the work that it has been doing with the PKC lets initiative in order to bring empty homes back into use. However, we need to see changes.

I turn to yesterday’s announcement that SNP ministers plan not to deliver on the commitment to expand free school meals to all primary-age pupils. The Scottish Conservatives championed that policy at the 2021 election, and there was—I believe—cross-party consensus that it would have a positive impact on child poverty and address stigma, as was raised during First Minister’s question time today. The promise to expand eligibility to all pupils was made in last year’s programme for government, and MSPs on all sides of the chamber were working to deliver on that.

We on the Conservative side of the chamber want to see the policy delivered, and we have looked to models to support the continuation of that, not just during the school week but in the summer holidays. I am extremely disappointed, therefore, that ministers have taken that action, and I hope that we see a change in that regard.

The First Minister said yesterday that the

“Government does not command a majority in this Parliament”.—[Official Report, 4 September 2024; c 23.]

Scottish Conservatives want to work cross-party in the Parliament to ensure that there is progress on the issue of free school meals, and that that is fixed at the time of the budget, if not before. Resources have been allocated to councils, and I hope that the First Minister will be open to looking at how we restore and deliver the policy and at the costs that are associated with its delivery—through, for example, a cross-party committee.

Finally, I am disappointed that the Government has decided not to proceed with a learning disability, autism and neurodivergence bill, nor with a human rights bill. Ministers had made pledges to many MSPs that both those bills would include important changes and legislative vehicles to deliver reforms—where they will now go, we do not know.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-14322, in the name of Jenny Gilruth, on the programme for government—eradicating child poverty. I invite ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (Jenny Gilruth) SNP
Ending child poverty is the single greatest priority for this Government and is, I hope, a truly national mission that is supported across the chamber. I am ...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
The First Minister made quite a deal yesterday about the interconnected, whole-family approach that is required in order to help families, but there was no r...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
Mr Rennie might know that I am recused from issues to do with The Promise as my wife sits on the oversight board. However, I am sure that Shirley-Anne Somerv...
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
The cabinet secretary talks about family provision. One of the family provisions that allow disabled people to go out is the provision of changing places toi...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
Mr Balfour raises an extremely valid point, and I recognise the challenge in this instance. He will also recognise the real challenges that the Scottish Gove...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I would like to make some progress. We know that that approach is making a substantial difference already, by saving families money and, importantly, allowi...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I will, but I am mindful of time, Presiding Officer.
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
The cabinet secretary will be aware that a survey that was conducted by Pregnant Then Screwed found that a quarter of mothers on maternity leave who are elig...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you the time back for the intervention, cabinet secretary.
Jenny Gilruth SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I am happy to work with the member and, of course, with Natalie Don-Innes, the Minister for Children, Young People and the Pro...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, cabinet secretary. I advise members that we have a little time in hand, so I encourage members who have not yet pressed their request-to-speak b...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
I thank the many organisations that provided useful briefings ahead of the debate. Yesterday, during the programme for government statement, the First Mini...
The Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice (Shirley-Anne Somerville) SNP
The member mentioned that he was due to meet the Minister for Housing soon. I am sure that during that meeting, the minister will furnish him with the detail...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I will give Miles Briggs the time back.
Miles Briggs Con
I welcome that, and I have been in constant discussion with the Minister for Housing. We also need to look at the new models that have not been taken forwa...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to conclude.
Miles Briggs Con
Finally, I note that the programme for government was a missed opportunity to develop opportunities to end child poverty. We need to work across parties to d...
Paul O’Kane (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
As always when we debate child poverty, I start by highlighting the consensus that—as we have already heard this afternoon—there is no more important mission...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Paul O’Kane Lab
In a moment—I will just make this point. That is 260,000 children in total across Scotland, according to the most recent figures. They will go through the i...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I am listening to the member recount the challenges that the Scottish Government faces. I hope that he will also be mindful that the Scottish Government does...
Paul O’Kane Lab
The cabinet secretary and I debated issues around child poverty five or six times in the chamber pre-election, and each time that we did so, I made it clear ...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Paul O’Kane Lab
I think that I am now in my last minute, but I will take the intervention if I can have the time back, Presiding Officer.
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Yes, indeed.
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
Despite the circumstances that we are in with the finances, the Government’s programme is keeping 100,000 children out of poverty. I would say that that is a...
Paul O’Kane Lab
It would be useful to understand how that figure has been arrived at, because the Deputy First Minister had trouble articulating it this morning on “Good Mor...